An overhauled K Series known as the N Series I believe.

 

So a K with a freelander HG then :lol:

I heard they plan to drop the VVC - is that true?

 

Yes 145 manual and 120 auto to start with.

 

Read about the N-Series they have sorted the heating sensor issues and made HG Failures a thing of the past :O

Theres a bit about it on Wikipedia i think

 

Read about the N-Series they have sorted the heating sensor issues and made HG Failures a thing of the past :O

Heh.. let's hope so, eh!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......!

That's Snipers day obviously ruined, then! :sad2:

 

Yes. There will be no VVC model

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......! mg2:

 

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........

VVC, VVC, VVC.


Hmmm. Turbo N series.

Turbo, Turbo, Turbo, Turbo,Turbo, Turbo,Turbo, Turbo.

 

Wonder if I can drop the new 145hp straight into the MEMS3 F, or fo you think there will be a new EMS?

 

Siemens were doing the EU4 EMS system.

 

Well, if the engine performs as well as people hope then in around 6 / 12mths time I think you'll end up with the following...

1. The cost of recovered engines from older cars will plummet
2. The cost of recovered engines from the newer TF's will be extorinate (due to demand)

Again, this all depends how easy it will be to retro-fit the new engine into older cars.

 

No it will apparently be 145bhp

I wonder where the extra 10 BHP is coming from?

 

Wow!!! really???

 

Obviuosly a resistor :lol:

 

Chris - Its obviously an EBay SuperChip! :rofl:

 

That will be it then!

 

How does the 160 manage

 

it has the VVC mechs Broon

 

There were also talks about a turbo N series. Any info or follow up on this?

 

What about the turbo N series, anything on that front?

 

Not that I've heard of in relation to the TF anyway.

 

Doubt it TBO unless its significatly more reliable and tunable then the EU3 engine. Certainly the above didnt really happen when either the EU2 or EU3 engines where released. The power increase can still be obtained through tuning your existing engine for less then the cost of a new engine. In fact it would still probably work out cheaper to drop a 145BHP VVC or 160BHP VVC in.

I was referring to the head gasket / reliability issue.....

 

That seems to have been sorted out post 2003 anyway, however this type of design of engine will always be vulnerable to HGF if the coolant suddenly vanishes etc.

 

You would think that with the K- at the Age it is there would be a vast array of possibilities to safely ramp up power by now like witht he Honda-B

 

In the Chinese News Thread, there have been a number of references to a TF 1.8T. Its cropped up a number of times over the past few weeks, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

A TF 1.8T would make a lovely replacement for the 1.8 VVC.

 

In the Chinese News Thread, there have been a number of references to a TF 1.8T. Its cropped up a number of times over the past few weeks, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

A TF 1.8T would make a lovely replacement for the 1.8 VVC.

Indeed. That would be very very nice and it is something that the F/TF has been needing for a long time. When the F first appeared in the marker in VVC form in beggining of 96, it was a very strong car in its class, easily beating or on par withg the z3, slk, mx5. But then as the other put stronger models on the market, there was no response from MG Rover, the supersports always had problems and never appeared in the market.

 

Turbo/supercharger defo seems like the way forward, im just a bit suprised there not making a top end model (ie like the 160) anymore..... how long will the k series last under a turbo mod though.

I did hear, ages ago now, that there was talk of using a proton engine....

 

how long will the k series last under a turbo mod though.

I did hear, ages ago now, that there was talk of using a proton engine....

Like most things it would depend on the way its used. a low boost Application would be perfectly feasible seeing as Engine Builders can build you a NA K giving over 200Bhp. a 170hp Turbo wouldnt really put the the engine under that much strain!

Oh and the proton motors would be brilliant. Cept the SOHC ones though.. The ProtonGTi engine is an Lancer GSTurbo (1.8 16v DOHC) minus the turbo and makes a cracking engine weather NA tuned or Turbo'd

 

These are excititng times indeed!

I don't get out much to visit the other forums but do NAC have much money to do R&D?

Are they likely to change that much to the TF ie engines, turbos, styling etc. Or are they going to need to establish themselves 1st make a bit of cash and then make changes?

 

I don't know whether I could live with a "powered by Proton" label. But then again, I do live with "designed & built by rover", so I can't be that fussy.

 

I don't know whether I could live with a "powered by Proton" label. But then again, I do live with "designed & built by rover", so I can't be that fussy.

Correct me if i'm wrong but don't Proton own Lotus now? So it can't be all that bad

 

It’s not been said (as far as I know) that an engine with VVC will never see the light of day. But it’s possible that they feel that they need more BHP then 160 now the non VVC engine is (apparently) producing 145 BHP. The MPI (non VVC) can also be used in a slightly different tune with a auto gearbox and this will likely be the most bought TF in China so NAC would get a better return from their investment.

 

They could use the same tune as the new manual and use one of the other ZF units. I'm sure ZF have improved the units, and become cheaper.

Here's the three models of CVT gearbox that ZF make. According to the MGF workshop manual the Steptronic has a VT1-11A gearbox. The 2001 MGF Sales Brochure says that a Steptronic has a maximum torque of 165Nm @3000 rpm and 120Ps (approx 118bhp) @ 5500 rpm. VVC produces 174Nm of torque @ 4500 rpm and 145Ps @ 7000 rpm.

Type VT1 capable of 165 NM
Type CFT 23 for max 250 NM
Type CFT 30 for max 310 NM

As the difference between the TF135 and the TF120 was the TF120 did not have the same hotter cams, used the 48 TB, and only having a single air intake pipe on the airbox.


Also we know that PTP have a 140 kit for any mpi (which i'd expect is not recommend for the TF120) so more than possible the N1.8 can run at 145 BHP.
So having the same engine for manual and auto would keep costs (Economies of Scale) down.

Matt

 

correct they do

 

It's all in a name. Now, powered by Lotus, that's a different matter.

 

im with you on this one, imo the vx220 would of sold more if it had a lotus badge on the front as opposed to a vauxhall one

its badge snobbery

http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?p=2035721#post2035721

 

Cooling is always going to be a problem, hot turbo next to plastic fuel tank...

 

The fuel tank is behind a metal bulkhead ! It would never pass a crash test otherwise !! The turbo and fuel tank are not the major issues. The trickiest part with a TF turbo, as i have said before, is cooling the engine, its on the limit in standard form for hot European markets such as Spain, south of france etc. Add a turbo and it wont last, plus there is no where for an intercooler without major installation re-work. I guess if you ditched the boot, as what would have happened for KV6 then there might be room.

 

Would be nice to see a turbo version, as for the cooling issue the mk2 mr2 turbo was obviously mid engined so there is a way to do it

 

There´s also the formar vhpd engine. The vhpd head has been dropped in favour of the newer vulcan head. 160 can be achieved in so many ways:lol:

 

There's no such thing as a 'VHPD head' - its correct title is 'The Motorsport Head'.

It was developed by Roger Fenry of Sabre Heads when he was working for Janspeed and is the basis of the PTP 'Vulcan Head'.

In fact Roger's new head dersigns flow better than the Vulcan!

 

There's no such thing as a 'VHPD head' - its correct title is 'The Motorsport Head'.

Sorry, but for all I know elise and exige people have been talking for a long time about "Very High Power Derivative" heads. So I´ve been reading Roger´s (kiwirog on seloc?) website. And indeed he calls it "motorsport head"

http://www.sabre-heads.co.uk/1.html

plus there is no where for an intercooler without major installation re-work. I guess if you ditched the boot, as what would have happened for KV6 then there might be room.

There are a couple of Elise tuning companies (komotec, ForceFed, etc) who take their air charge trough the side air vent. Although I have to admit the air vents of the elise are much more efficient and easier to route ducting to than an F´s. BBR-GTI have done a conversion on an MGF using air/air. It ran 3 years at 6psi w/o any internal mods, with an air/air IC. But that would not be fool proof of course. I´m aiming at 7psi using water/air. Might not be fool proof as well. It´d better be for a world market. Anyway. Let´s not get this off topic.
What do you think they´re upto to get 160bhp at BATNEC principle?

cheers,