Look Mega, MG/R is one of britains last independent car manufaturer. They are whats left of the great era of brittish cars but they are in trouble. I, as well as any member on this site (bar Puppetland) would like MG/R to survive. I'd like to see a Honda NSX type R race an SV- No chance!
p.s we dont care bout the CTR!

 

They won't keep going by farming out total crap like the ZR! They know what the problems are but they can't be bothered. Why should we be bothered?

I wouldn't mine but they keep trying to demand almost Type "R" money for the crappy thing! The cost should = the build Q! In other words, not very much!!!!!!!!
Mega

 

Mike, sod off slagging the ZR.

There, simple.

I say again - I've had two (that's 2) ZRs and both have been fine. Both did not need replacing because of poor build quality. The build quality has been fantastic.

However, when problems do occur with new cars (I'm sure yours has had some problems, but of course, you'd forget about them when you come on here), the dealers are the problem. Why can some dealers not fix little problems here and there, it gets so annoying. Why can't more dealers be like Richardsons, Kernahans, SGL etc... and actually care about the aftersales and actually be enthusiastic about the cars they sell. Its the bad dealers that let the side down, as always. :sad2:

 

Mega.....you just don't get it do you....this is an MG and Rover forum.....it's not difficult to grasp that concept is it??

So a word of advice....GO AND ANNOY THE PEOPLE ON THE HONDA FORUMS INSTEAD!!! Oh no, I forgot....they probably banned you, 'cos I would imagine you went on and on and on and on about how the Civic Type R was the only Civic to have and all the rest were a pile of crap. You must live in a very cynical narrow minded world. I feel sorry for you. :twak:

 

It's incredibly annoying how quick people are to complain and find fault, and how rapidly the media will jump on the slag-it-off-cos-its-MGR band-wagon.

Obviously, owners of certain other manufacturers' vehicles that will remain nameless are so smitten with their void-of-style, clinical, characterless, dull and cliched buzz-boxes that they have fogotten what it's like to have a passion for something, hence they resort to highlighting every little negative appearance MGR get in the press in some kind of futile way of making up for their own inadequacies. It's no surprise such people get depressed! I think I would be too if that were my hobby!

If I remember correctly, a certain manufacturer of far-eastern origin (not Honda) which had a preconception of excellent build-quality and un-questioned reliability had actually been covering up over 10 years of shoddy build and poor cars.

Unfortuantely, there are still a lot of poor MGR dealers about, one of which the unfortunate chap from the Autoexpress article must have dealt with. Other manufacturers, and other MGR dealers may have dealt with the problems differently, and he then might not have resorted to going to the press about his predicament. That's just the way it is. At least he didn't buy a CTR, good man!

 

mega go slag honda, after all rovers are improved honders arnt they mega

 

Yawn.

To be quite honest, I'm getting bored with these type of threads.

Autoexpress are not going to write a big featue on why I or anyone else for that matter am pleased / delighted / over the moon about a car. Uninteresting, boring, NOT going to sell magazines. BUT, as soon as they have something juicy to write about, it's printed, it's sold, people read it and assume from the one article that a particular car is c**p.

There are FAR too many HAPPY owners of the ZR for it to be a c**p car. Unfortunately, no matter who the manufacturer, there's always going to be a car that has more than it's fair share of problems. But, again, they are rare, but it's good reading eh?

I'm sorry Mike, I've enjoyed reading your posts up to now, but FFS it's getting monotonus now - any thread I read where you're the author is the same...

Dave

 

If I remember correctly, a certain manufacturer of far-eastern origin (not Honda) which had a preconception of excellent build-quality and un-questioned reliability had actually been covering up over 10 years of shoddy build and poor cars.

I must say my Mitsubishi has been faultless - in 6 years and 125,000km it has only had to have the brake master cylinder replaced. But then it's not made in Japan... heaven forbid that Australia actually has better build quality than Japan?

190bhp and never needs an oil top up either.

While we're at it though maybe part of the problem with the 25/ZR lies in the fact that it contains so many Honda bits and as we all know Hondas are only designed to last a few trouble free years before falling apart. After all the Japanese replace their cars every couple of years.

 

Ah, someone saw through my thinly veiled reply! - incidentally, I forgot you owned a Magna, Patrick!

Obviously you are delighted with your Mitsubishi, and to be honest, you don;t hear many complaints about Mitsubishis in general. I do find it quite odd that even though the wave of problems and faults with some of the cars did appear in the media, you never heard of them again. This could be because of three possible reasons: a) the media aren't interested in slagging off japanese car manufacturers, b) owners don't complain to the media about their problems or c) there are no problems anymore.

I would like to think it were "c", and Patrick would back that up, I'm thinking.

I think general build quality of MGR vehicles is very good, but unfortunately there must still be a few poorly finished cars out there. Last time I checked, nobody's perfect.

 

I've just taken delivery of my MG ZS and I'm going to keep a diary - I cover approximately 1000 miles a week - so soon we'll see.

(BTW the Astra that just went back - 4 years old, 135k miles - dealer trips.... 52 work it out - even with the 10k service interval - take off 13 trips, thats 39 visits to the dealer - no accident damage - we've had - Power steering motor (x2), all new braking system all round - pads, calipers, discs cylinders, pipes due to a design fault, cambelt failure at 45k miles (Vauxhall quote 80k for replacement). and various electrical, fuel supply, ecu, throttle body problems too numerous to mention them all.)

But then, someone else who had done simillar mileage, same car (different colour!) had only ever taken their car for service - nothing else at all.

Sometimes you get bad cars. Period.

Next time you take a trip down the motorway, look at the cars on the hard shoulder - most will be from 2000 on, so age has little to do with it. I almost guarantee you'll see equal distribution of all makes.

 

Mega,

In my 12 years of driving, I've only ever owned Austin/Rover/MG cars. (apart from a Lotus Elise, which has a K series engine) Here is the list of cars that I have owned in chronological order:-

1) Metro 1.0L (pre K series)
2) Metro 1.3L (pre K series)
3) Rover 214Si (One of the first Mark II Rovers to roll off the production line, did 96,000 miles in it)
4) Rover 214 Cabriolet
5) MGF 1.8i (One of the first MGF to roll off the production line, did 26,000 miles in it)
6) Lotus Elise
7) Rover 214SLi (Bought it second hand, I still own this car after 4 years, done 100,000 miles.)
8) MG ZR 160 (I still own this car - it's one year old now and I've done 11,000 miles in it)

None of the above cars have EVER broken down. Other than general wear and tear, NOTHING serious has EVER gone wrong with any of the above cars.

My father has owned many Austin/Rover/MG products over the last 30 years and in the latter years this includes a Rover 620Ti, Rover 416SLi, Rover 75 2.0, MG F 1.8 VVC and he currently owns an MG ZT 190+ and an MG F 160 Trophy. In his experience, all cars have been VERY reliable.

Mega, if you go to www.mg-rover.org, scroll down to the bottom of the screen and read the bottom paragraph, you will see the following sentence:-

This site is run by MG-Rover enthusiasts for MG-Rover enthusiasts.

Other people have pointed this out to you in the past and I am going to re-iterate it again.

This site is run by MG-Rover enthusiasts for MG-Rover enthusiasts.

Can I ask which part of the above sentence you do not understand? You're obviously not an MG Rover enthusiast but a Honda enthusiast. So why don't you find yourself (or even create) a nice Honda forum so you can join other like minded people and talk all day about how reliable/handsome/well built Hondas are and at the same time flame MG Rover products without getting on peoples nerves.

Why are us Brits so supportive, passionate and patriotic when it comes to sport (England, Scotland, Wales, Northen Ireland football teams etc) but when it comes to buying products manufactured in our own country we're some way behind Italy, France, USA etc?? Mega typifies the typical Brit. Little wonder our manufacturing industry has all but disappeared.

 

Agree with most of what you're saying, I've had a montego and a maestro and I only had to call out the AA once - when the clutch cable snapped on the maestro (didn't know that a temporary aa/rac one had been fitted). One thing these cars do have a deserved reputation for is the R-word.

Why are us Brits so supportive, passionate and patriotic when it comes to sport (England, Scotland, Wales, Northen Ireland football teams etc) but when it comes to buying products manufactured in our own country we're some way behind Italy, France, USA etc?? Mega typifies the typical Brit. Little wonder our manufacturing industry has all but disappeared.

Well I can in part answer this, UK industry back in the 70's assumed that they could depend on UK consumers buying British no matter what, they ignored what the Japs were doing. The Japs were building cheap, fairly hi-tech and pretty good quality, consumers saw this and went for Jap goods. British companies were still churning out the same old stuff and by time they realised (if they ever realised) it was too late. The manufacturers that survied were either state-owned or paid attention to what the customers wanted.

A thought, at the end of 60's/start of the 70's I think Austin/Morris/Rover over 60% market share. The further back you go in history the bigger their market share. Make what conclusions you will.

 

OH DEAR VAN MAN IS OFF AGAIN!

Who will slap his legs this time?:err:

 

[Why are us Brits so supportive, passionate and patriotic when it comes to sport (England, Scotland, Wales, Northen Ireland football teams etc) but when it comes to buying products manufactured in our own country we're some way behind Italy, France, USA etc?? Mega typifies the typical Brit. Little wonder our manufacturing industry has all but disappeared.

Well I can in part answer this, UK industry back in the 70's assumed that they could depend on UK consumers buying British no matter what, they ignored what the Japs were doing. The Japs were building cheap, fairly hi-tech and pretty good quality, consumers saw this and went for Jap goods. British companies were still churning out the same old stuff and by time they realised (if they ever realised) it was too late. The manufacturers that survied were either state-owned or paid attention to what the customers wanted.

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So does this mean that the USA, Italy, France, Germans etc etc followed the way of the Japs whilst Britain stood still? No I don't think they did. Yet if you go to the USA you'll find most cars are manufactured there by an American owned company. Go to France and most of their cars are manufactured there by a French owned company. Same as Germany and Italy. Yet in the UK in many cases we still shun our own products.

I believe that MG Rover have some of the best designers and engineers in the business. You only have to look at what they did with the MG TF and MG saloon on a short timescale and limited budget to realise this. I believe the all new cars that they will launch during the next few years will be top of their class. I only hope that before then, the slide in sales does not continue and that the pound weaken against the Euro and I hope if the China Brillance deal does collapse then it doesn't affect MGR financially and slow down development of their 45/ZS replacement.

 

They won't keep going by farming out total crap like the ZR!
Mega

Hmm.... ZR.... perfect... Honda Hire Car.... packed up after 10 miles... AA couldn't fix... and the guy at the hire place said... "Not again".... I wonder what that could mean.... I know where I am staying.....

 

Erm, I said that this in part explains the problem and I meant manufacturing in general.

Another factor, some people (too many infact), think Ford and Vauxhall are British companies.

Another thought, what would the British car industry look like now if BL had never existed but rather we still had Morris + MG, Rover, Triumph, Austin + Austin Healey etc... I suspect that the brands would still be alive in one shape or another covering most sectors of the car market.

 

Hi guy's I own a ZR160 ,my parents are an official MGR dealer in Belgium.We are running 12 ZR 's now most 105's.NONE OF THESE COSTUMERS HAVE COMPLAINT ABOUT THERE ZR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A couple of minor things like the rear spoiler rubber that came loose where already sorted before delivery by us ,MGR solved this things whit a new design spoiler.Al minor things where checked,an solved before!!!delivery ,MGR wrote us for these probs.So why can't ALL DEALERS DO THIS ???? so there won't be any threads like this .Let me tel you one thing:MGR ARE SELLING VERY GOOD CARS .But there are to much bad dealers out there ,like the unofficial one's.Conclusion Mega has become very Mini if he has nothing more to say.Go and drive your bad desing mark ,and let all those verry happy ZR owners enjoy this forum,instead of making me and them verry mad.:guns3:

 

This thread extends so much further than people who are going to read it. It is about British society as a whole, and as such, unfortunately, there isn;t much that we can do to change it.

Shall we all just admit defeat and just become the 51st state of America, or absorb ourselves into the European Superstate?

I don't think so.

I love being British, I love all things British, and I love MGR.

If you don't like it, bite me!

Long live the fighters!!

 

i agree that all makes regardless have a few problem cars.... in my opinion (gonna get shot down for this) things like the jd powers survey are a waste of time...... i think the people that take part in this are people who are cheesed off with their cars (as they have a badly built car) people like mega who just ignore or forget if anything goes wrong but just have to put down every other car on earth, or people with company cars that dont like the fact they have had to have a specific brand. i dont think most average people that run their cars day in and day out with no problems would take part in it.....maybe im wrong??

personally i had a metro gti mpi that had 40k on when i bought it when i stopped using it 3 years later i had added 120k on the clock..... what went wrong??? .... the radiator wore out (fins disintergrated) and the primary bearing in the gearbox went at 45k but was replaced under warranty (peugeot gearbox anyway i think!) i have to say i really did abuse this car revving to the limiter etc i dont call that an unreliable car.

i currently have a rover 220gsi 115k on the clock i have done over 60k in it in 3 years and what has gone wrong with this one?......
metal water pipe split.... £20 to fix. new rear calipers required as no handbrake (not just a rover issue applies to many manufacturers) that cost mmmmmm £130 with new disks and pads last mot at 112k straight through..... so this beg the question.... is this a reliable car too??

what do i plan to buy next?? will it be a characterless jap car? nope it will be something fun to drive.... probably a very low mileage (sub 20k) 220 turbo coupe or .... if my finances can stretch a zs180.... all i can say is they are top value and top performance motors that in common with ALL manufacturers have a few problem cars just for some reason people seem to bleat about mg problems more than any others

sorry for waffling just get fed up with people saying rovers/mgs are unreliable

 

I've only ever heard of one engine blowing up beyond repair - and it was a Honda D16.

My ZS doesn't have a single rattle or problem *and* it doesn't look like I'm out delivering bread every time I go for a spin.

Phil

 

You're right m8 lets forget this cr*p,they don't now what they are saying.Oh one more thing ,for al the CTR lovers,congratulations you like or own the most ugly car in the world,the new space mobiles from Renault even looks better (in the ugly car top 10):lol:

 

Mega.....you just don't get it do you....this is an MG and Rover forum.....it's not difficult to grasp that concept is it??

So a word of advice....GO AND ANNOY THE PEOPLE ON THE HONDA FORUMS INSTEAD!!! Oh no, I forgot....they probably banned you, 'cos I would imagine you went on and on and on and on about how the Civic Type R was the only Civic to have and all the rest were a pile of crap. You must live in a very cynical narrow minded world. I feel sorry for you. :twak:

Mega,

Go to:
http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/
and leave us alone, tell Jon that I sent you the CTR loving ba**ard.

PS, want a race.:naughty:


Trev.

 

Mike - I'll go against the grain here - I like your style!

 

Mega VAN man ??? What style ??:lol:

 

odd, my 160 is in overnight at my dealers, its got another issue I'm not happy about, which brings the list to

1) Boot and drivers door not sitting flush
2) rattle from centre console
3) Reverse selector fork needed replacement
4) The current issue its in for

And I still love the car

I did have a long post written out about mates cars who have fucted enginees, craked manifolds and one with a twisted chassis (straight off the production line) and the dealers wont touch them

the twisted car is being replaced directly by the manufacturer but the car was taken in 3 times to the dealer and they still refused to admit anything was wrong

All I can say is "thanks f**k I own an MGR from a good dealer"

- James