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#1 ·
Nanjing Auto's successful bid for MG Rover was thrown into fresh turmoil as it emerged that two of the Pheonix Four businessmen who made millions out of the collapsed car marker had joined Nanjing's UK management team.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1540005,00.html

BMW were right. The Phoenix 4 are indeed the unacceptable face of capitalism :irked:

John
 
#5 ·
The question is, which two? Stephenson obviously, plus Towers?
Interesting Edwards is said to have approached Moseley, if he is one of these two, that would be a positive sign, but perhaps the P4 have split into two camps, and Edwards is not in favour of Nanjing, in which case moseley probably stands no chance.


The quote below was lifted from Keith's site the week after LB closed, said to be from a well-informed inside source. Seems quite prophetic... note the bits in bold...

"The situation as it stands:

According to one contributor to austin-rover.co.uk, a senior MGR
marketing executive sums up PwC and MGR's situation in these terms
(as unpalatable as some of these seem).

In its current form MGR and mass production at Longbridge is no more.

SAIC has been quick to withdraw from negotiations due in some part to
government involvement; SAIC has begun to smell victory at a
liquidated price, and are now viewed as worst enemy.

The Tata/CityRover contract is terminated (or is to be formally so
next week).

The Indian SUV and Diesel engine ventures are being offered the
Indian companies in order to simplify MGR and raise cash.

Tata has been in formal contact with the administrators about
acquiring Powertrain completely, with a view to transfer to India and
supply and British manufacturing plant.

A small American firm is interested in purchasing the MG SV for
production in the US (and has been for a few months although it was
initially just the distribution rights in the US).

A 2000 sale clause with BMW means that Ford/Land Rover are to be
offered the Rover name and production rights. It is thought that if
MGR goes into liquidation they will purchase the name.

Ford has stopped supplying V8 engines for the SV and ZT/Rover 75,
with no more to come until the situation is finalized.

After an approach by the Administrators Ford/PAG confirmed that it
does not want MG. The senior managers (not the top table people)
think that the problem is this:
A. Too much time spent on wooing the Chinese/Proton.
B. X80/ MG SV project wasted cash for little benefit
C. 75 RWD platform ditto
D. CityRover did damage to brand, and the company spent too much time
and effort on deal.
E. Lack of government support.
F. No new metal only pointless and costly refreshes of range with
little effect on sales
G. Press attacks stopped showroom traffic

R45 replacement 10 months (and about 80 million) from production
build if cash could be found.

Plan B is now MG and Powertrain to retreat to MGR owned engine plant
land, plant set up and TF and ZT to be produced along with if cash
can be raised a MG version of the R45 replacement.

Rover brand to be dropped, due to terminal damage.

Possible small volume medium car (R45 replacement) to be built
alongside MG version (if cash available) for sale in the UK only as
an Austin (or something else not a Rover).

BMW being very helpful at this time (allowing parts still to be
shipped etc)

3575 jobs to go at Longbridge.

Studley Castle to be sold and cash to new company, offers already in.

Proton/Tata/SAIC/ unnamed small car company (thought to be Porsche
interested in MG only?) approached Administrators about all or part
of current MGR.

Current P4 owners still want to be part of business, but feel they
will be forced out, no way out but administration to clear problems."

Is the involvement of P2 a good thing or bad? Looked at objectively, their track record swings from the sublime to the ridiculous (ie ZT to cityrover), but it could mean better prospects of UK production if they've managed to influence Nanjing so heavily thus far, but will do nothing for MGR's image in the press.
 
#6 ·
Stephenson & Edwards.

I'm sorry, but none of the P4 should be so involved with Nanjing. There was a much better offer on the table that would have resulted in the company being owned by people who could actually afford to own it, not one operating with credit notes. PWC still haven't had a penny from Nanjing.
 
#7 ·
Stepheson has credentials so is worth having, but Edwards? He was completely useless during his stint as boss of MGR marketing and sales.

Anyway - Edwards and Beal were working "behind the scenes" with the backyard kit car builder - David James and Project Kimber.

Stephenson and Towers could be worth having.
 
#9 ·
This whole thing stinks. Period. There are some serious questions that need to be asked over this whole sordid affair. I'm not one generally to believe in conspiracy theories, though do on occasion enjoy being entertained by them. But this whole deal is now verging on the obscene.

Two men who helped run MG Rover into the ground are getting fat (again) at the expense of thousands of good, hardworking and decent people who are left to rot on the scrapheap of life.

And what are Nanjing playing at? If they are trying to completely wipe out their credibility, they are certainly going the right way about it, through the appointment of 2 failures to their management team.

John
 
#14 ·
PatrickT said:
Stepheson has credentials so is worth having
What creditals are those?

Note, this is not Peter Stevens - its Nick Stephenson! What the hell did he do for the past 5 years, I'd love to know.

I assume he was involved with talks with China Brilliance (Collapsed), Tata (didn't get best deal with them), SAIC (we all know what happened there) and Nanjing ('No, he's not being paid for the work on the deal, but we'll give him a job afterwards')

He certainly seems to like it in China - wonder what the attraction is, besides the women?
 
#18 ·
JohnSwitzer said:
Nanjing Auto's successful bid for MG Rover was thrown into fresh turmoil as it emerged that two of the Pheonix Four businessmen who made millions out of the collapsed car marker had joined Nanjing's UK management team.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1540005,00.html

BMW were right. The Phoenix 4 are indeed the unacceptable face of capitalism :irked:

John
John, this is a Sunday Express story. Do we know whether this has been confirmed or not? Politically, it would be very, very hard for any of the P4 to get involved with MGR again.
 
#21 ·
Plan B is now MG and Powertrain to retreat to MGR owned engine plant
land, plant set up and TF and ZT to be produced along with if cash
can be raised a MG version of the R45 replacement.


Sounds more like Plan A to me. I'm more sure than ever that they planned this (or something very much like it) all along. Well, maybe not from 2000, but from the point they realised MGR could not survive as it was, round about the time TWR crashed and took RDX60 with it.

If they did not plan this, why did they keep some of the land, and not do a sale-and-lease-back on the whole lot?

P4 have been directing this for months. Towers dropped a hint when he got back from SAIC, he said "something can be salvaged from this" or words to that effect.

Now the only question is where the other P2 will pop up? How about - with the UK owned part of the operations, run and financed by Leach/Mosely/James, which will soon buy some of the assets from Nanjing.