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The Guardian and irresponsible reporting!

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#1 ·
Here is the front page article in this mornings Guardian!! I hope Kevin Howe and Co. Respond to this, because I think it is vicious and full of half truths or malicious innuendo. Personally If MG-R and PVH prosper, then Mr Howe and Co. deserve to get amply rewarded. I say good luck to them. This kind of irresponsible reporting is designed purely to foment unrest and dissension within the workforce who understandably must be worried about their jobs. Call me naive but I think these men will definitely see that the workforce will also share in some of this wealth if the company turns around. IMHO MG-R has just turned the corner toward prosperity. The forthcoming Vitesse V8 and the revised 45/ZS will serve notice to all the naysayers that MG-R is well and truly back.




Ian Griffiths and David Gow - Tuesday March 2, 2004 - The Guardian.

The four men credited with saving MG Rover have dismantled the group and created a private empire, an investigation by the Guardian reveals.

Through a complex financial restructuring, the core Rover car business, which is still making huge losses, has been isolated from a number of profitable associate businesses.

The result is that if Rover were to fall victim to the ferociously competitive pressures of the volume car manufacturing, costing thousands of jobs in the Midlands, those who organised the purchase of the business from ÂŁ10 from BMW four years ago would stand to walk away with more than ÂŁ100m between them.

The company disputes the contention that the Rover group has been structured for the benefit of the four owners of the Phoenix consortium which rescued MG Rover, and absolutely rejects any notion of asset stripping. However, analysis of the new structure reveals that John Towers, Nick Stephenson, John Edwards and Peter Beale will be at least ÂŁ70m richer between them if Britain's last independent volume car maker is forced to close. This is on top of the ÂŁ31m in fees and other benefits the Phoenix directors have already received from the group.

Specific assets which now rest beyond the reach of Longbridge's 5,000 car and Powertrain workers and MG Rover dealers, who were granted shares in the rescued business, include:

· The Powertrain engine business, worth at least £50m, which supplies Land Rover, Lotus and Caterham cars, as well as Rover.

· Studley Castle, a Warwickshire mansion formerly used as a Rover training centre, worth more than £2m.

· MGR Capital, a car loan business, and two other leasing businesses, worth about £24m.

On top of this, the Guardian's analysis also shows that the promised development of a new MG sports model is now being undertaken away from the core Rover business, while the company's spare parts business has also been restructured.

Phoenix said last night that the deals involving Powertrain and the Rover parts business "have both resulted in major benefits to MG Rover". It added that smaller acquisitions by Phoenix were "either no cost or low cost, with no material profit stream for use anywhere in the group".

A collapse in sales towards the end of last year has triggered fears in Whitehall that MG Rover, deprived of new models, including the long-promised make-or-break new medium car, could go under in a competitive car market.

An analysis of the corporate restructuring orchestrated by the Phoenix four suggests there has been a systematic realignment of businesses, once integral to the old Rover group, which ensures economic benefit flows directly to the master company controlled by John Towers, Nick Stephenson, John Edwards and Peter Beale, rather than MG Rover itself.

Phoenix Venture Holdings has spent millions buying businesses which have taken the master company directly into financial services and the property market. In the West Midlands, a politically sensitive region where marginal seats change hands regularly, there is a growing sentiment that Rover has been betrayed by the four men who promised its salvation and have since presided over dwindling sales, continuing losses and a gradual erosion of the workforce to little more than 4,000 in the car plant.

Messrs Towers, Stephenson, Edwards and Beale were feted as heroes when their Phoenix consortium bought MG Rover with a promise to save some 8,000 jobs and preserve independent volume car production in Britain. The consortium eventually won the backing of a government anxious to preserve up to 20,000 more jobs in the Midlands components industry a year ahead of the 2001 general election.

The Phoenix four gave shares to car workers and dealers allowing them to participate in the promised recovery of the struggling MG Rover business. But the shares, representing 50% of the firm, which the workers and dealers own in Phoenix Venture Holdings (PVH), the master company which owns MG Rover, are of much less value than the shares in the same company owned by the car company's four saviours.

The equity owned by workers and dealers can only share in dividends or assets directly associated with the car company. Those shares receive no benefit in the other, more profitable, businesses which Phoenix has acquired or created over the last three years.

The car company has lost over ÂŁ500m since its new owners took control, and has deferred any prospect of breaking even until 2005 at the earliest. In the 2002 report to shareholders, Kevin Howe, chief executive, warned of MG Rover: "It does remain a significant cash drain on the overall group and must make a breakthrough into profitability in the near- term." He also suggested that PVH was pursuing a strategy which was not driven solely by MG Rover. "We have moved from consolidation to being a much broader church with several independent subsidiaries working towards generating increasing levels of contribution to PVH."

Mr Howe concluded: "PVH will continue to find new and innovative ways of generating much needed profit and cash for our group as a whole."

But, while the group as a whole may benefit, the bulk of shareholders will not. If the four men who control PVH decide to close Longbridge and withdraw from volume car production, they will be left with a Phoenix business estimated to be worth at least ÂŁ70m. That ÂŁ70m would be on top of the ÂŁ31m that the Phoenix four and chief executive Kevin Howe have already shared by way of salaries, payments into trust funds and other rewards.

Despite the heavy losses at MG Rover and its investment in new businesses PVH has retained a healthy cash position. The 2002 report to shareholders reveals that PVH had cash balances of ÂŁ315m at the end of that year.

The company has been helped by the ÂŁ1.1bn dowry which BMW made available to the Phoenix consortium as part of the deal allowing the German car maker to escape from its disastrous venture into the UK volume market.

BMW has provided ÂŁ427m of cash by way of an interest-free loan, repayable in 2049. It also handed to Phoenix at least 40,000 cars it had made but not sold with a value of around ÂŁ400m.

The Powertrain engines business, worth more than ÂŁ100m and now turning over ÂŁ200m, was also handed over by BMW in 2001. The German company also subscribed for over ÂŁ200m of MG Rover equity as part of the disposal of that business.

Questions are now being asked about how PVH has cho sen to distribute the BMW dowry. Some industry analysts are concerned that cash has been conserved to prop up day-to-day operations rather than invested in the development of the new medium-sized model regarded as central to MG Rover's long-term survival.

MG Rover says: "The major acquisitions of Powertrain and XPart have both resulted in major benefits to MG Rover. Smaller acquisitions, eg Studley Castle and Phoenix Distribution, are either no cost or low cost with no material profit stream for use anywhere in the group."

Rover accepts that some of the ÂŁ427m loan note has been used to finance the company's losses but argues the cash has also been used to make significant investments in new products.

However, the new medium-sized model has still not been developed and is not expected until late 2005. Some analysts and industry sources fear it may never be built.


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BTW!! I think the MG Sportscar they are refering to is the "SV XPOWER" What Idiots!! Because of the unique nature of this car and it's construction MG-R realized that it would be faster to develop this car with a small team of engineers and designers seperate from the more mainstream developments. That is how companies like Lotus, are able to develop and design complete vehicles, productionize them and bring them market much faster than say a monolithic company like GM or even MG-R.


I'm not sure if MG-R are actually planning to show the revised 45/ZS at the Geneva Auto Show. If not, I'm sure they would have scheduled (what is sure to be an important car until RD/X60 arrives) it to be there, had they known they were going to be blindsided by this article on the day that the show is due to open. If the revisions are as great as we have been led to believe, as it would have totally taken the wind out of Messrs. Griffith and Gow's sails. They are obviously (for reasons only they know) trying to take the wind out of ROVER'S SALES!!!!!:irked: :irked: :irked: :irked:
 
#2 ·
I'm getting fed up with this.... why are they trying to destroy MGR,
have Kevin Howe and friends done something to upset them?

To me it make perfect financial and business sense to try and protect as much of the business as possible, especially with the situation that they found MGR in.

What is also annoying is the plain untruths 'the new medium car has NOT been developed'.

The guardian will be hearing from me about this.
 
#3 ·
Doesn't paint a nice picture does it.

The fact it is very inaccurate must give them some comeback against something like that.

I am sure there are specific reasons for splitting into several subsiduaries that we are not aware of and neither are the jouranlists.

Just a case of bashing a british company IMO.
 
#4 ·
Stephen K. Hone said:
Call me naive but I think these men will definitely see that the workforce will also share in some of this wealth if the company turns around.
OK. You're naive. Why else have they created such a byzantine accounting structure and ensured their own financial safety?

What's not true in the Guardian's piece? I'd love someone to point out a major, material mistake.

Instead, it's a tale of a sinking (long)ship and four rats preparing to leave.

As the end of the inside piece says:

If MG Rover does collapse and the Phoenix Four walk away with scores of millions of pounds, many will be disappointed. But nowhere will that be felt more acutely than by the MG Rover workforce and the dealership network.

John Towers and his colleagues were lauded for the way they initially structured PVH to give staff and dealers 50% of the company.

Unfortunately, the holdings of these stakeholders are represented by A and B shares in PVH. Chief executive Kevin Howe owns C shares. Only the Phoenix Four hold voting D shares, accounting for 40% of the equity but 100% of the votes.

Under PVH's company rules A, B and C shareholders are entitled only to a share in dividends which are paid directly from MG Rover. Their entitlement to PVH's assets are again restricted, but this time to those which can be attributed to a more broadly defined MG Rover Group.

So far, under PVH's ownership, MG Rover has continued to make losses so the company has not paid a dividend. At December 31 2002, MG Rover's liabilities exceeded its assets by more than ÂŁ200m, suggesting there would be little available for the A,B and C shareholders.

Messrs Towers, Stephenson Edwards and Beale - the controlling D shareholders - stand to share everything else.
 
#5 ·
FFS. Any coincidence that its report is on the same day as the Geneva show?

W@nkers, they (along with most of the british press) are just bunch of self loving anti-british morons.

Don't they have anything else to report incorrrectly about? They know that companies can't fight the press so in effect they have free reign to do and say whatever they like, whether true or not.

By this continue crap that they dredge up, it only threatens the future of the company and then they could well be right when the forecast the company going under - because of the effect of their continual battering of the company.

TBH, unless MGR do something to shut these tossers up, they'll just continue on with this apparent campaign against MGR. Question is, apart from the courts, there isn't much you can do.

Bet they all drive BMWs as well. :rolleyes:
 
#6 ·
If MG Rover collapsed then many other parts of the business would too, Powertrain may turnover ÂŁ200 million, but that's mainly business from Rover, The parts business exists through dealerships which will close if Rover collapsed, and directors of any company, whoever they are, do not walk away with millions in cash if they go under, ever heard of bankruptcy?

The points the article raises touch on an element of the truth, yes the business has been restructured, but their wild and fanciful accusations for the reasons amount to no more than gunning for the company to collapse.

Why when they can see new models and revisions and heavy advertising campaigns do they insist on suggesting the company is close to collapse. It really is a case of kicking a man when he is trying to get up. I think it's unforgiveable. MG Rover would do well to take action against the Guardian.

Anyone know their e-mail address?
 
#7 ·
cityrover said:
MG Rover would do well to take action against the Guardian.
The problem is, what kind of action? The only action you can take is legal against the likes of the press and watchdog - anything else and it only assures you get mentioned again in the press the next issue and they always have the last word.
 
#8 ·
The GUARDIAN may as well do a financial structure analysis on B*W, or any other privately owned company. They are all owned by business people who do it, for the money! Companies are 'limited' so the directors are protected against losses caused by business failure, it's as simple as that
 
#9 ·
SteveChilds said:
The problem is, what kind of action? The only action you can take is legal against the likes of the press and watchdog - anything else and it only assures you get mentioned again in the press the next issue and they always have the last word.
Yeah, ive thought again and the only way ROver should come back at them is to speed up the launch of this years vehicles or at least press release them.

The TV and advertising campaign is in full swing, there at least 7 full billboard ads within 1 mile of my home!

I truly believe that there is an element of politics about this paper and its campaign against Rover. And that should be exposed by any means we can, if MG Rover can't stick up for itself then we sure as hell can help them along the way. We definitely need some slogan's on our Motorshow t-shirts!!!!
 
#10 ·
cityrover said:
Yeah, ive thought again and the only way ROver should come back at them is to speed up the launch of this years vehicles or at least press release them.

The TV and advertising campaign is in full swing, there at least 7 full billboard ads within 1 mile of my home!

I truly believe that there is an element of politics about this paper and its campaign against Rover. And that should be exposed by any means we can, if MG Rover can't stick up for itself then we sure as hell can help them along the way. We definitely need some slogan's on our Motorshow t-shirts!!!!
Have the Guardian used Rover's logo without authorisation? it's a long shot but why not attack them through the backdoor.
 
#11 ·
I know I've said it again and I don't want to sound paranoid... but I'm convinced that someone or something is behind this nonsense.

Every time MGR has good news, then immediately something appears in the press to knock them and I don't think that this happens by accident.

Even if MGR do get The Guardian to back down, what'll happen? At best a retraction on page 17 of an edition this time next month :(

There's nothing new in that Guardian article I didn't alreaqdy know... aside from a littany of errors and mistakes, which I'll hopefully get around to outlining later.

John
 
#12 ·
vava1 said:
The GUARDIAN may as well do a financial structure analysis on B*W, or any other privately owned company. They are all owned by business people who do it, for the money! Companies are 'limited' so the directors are protected against losses caused by business failure, it's as simple as that
That may be true but the term limited is not as limited as people believe, certainly directors cannot asset strip a company, help it collapse, leave creditors out of pocket and walk away with ÂŁ millions themselves, it simply cannot happen. And directors can be held personally responsible for debts of a limited company too, ive sent enough bailiffs and sheriffs to directors homes to know that over the years.
 
#13 ·
JohnSwitzer said:
I know I've said it again and I don't want to sound paranoid... but I'm convinced that someone or something is behind this nonsense.

Every time MGR has good news, then immediately something appears in the press to knock them and I don't think that this happens by accident.

Even if MGR do get The Guardian to back down, what'll happen? At best a retraction on page 17 of an edition this time next month :(

There's nothing new in that Guardian article I didn't alreaqdy know... aside from a littany of errors and mistakes, which I'll hopefully get around to outlining later.

John
It's generally the guardian that does it, so draw our own conclusions.

Ive just been looking at their articles, apparently land was sold off to advantage west midlands in 1992! - such accuracy...........
 
#16 ·
The complex web of companies that the Longbridge Four have set up is no different to what many other private enterprises have created.

Its all done to minimise tax and protect assets. These guys have shown themselves to be shrewd business operators and they would be crazy to create a Titanic that would go down with all hands if they hit an iceberg.

I dont think you can doubt the directors commitment to the company. Look at the rate at which they keep turning out new models. Look at the way the Longbridge site operates - its impressive. It doesnt look like an operation that exists purely as a directors hobby horse!!!

What agenda does the Guarniad have? Their timing is impeccable and their fount of bad news apparently inexhaustible.
 
#17 ·
At least we're getting to the meat of the story now.

They restructured the company/companies in such a way that the majority of shareholders do not benefit. But the Four do.

Why didn't they do it so most shareholders could benefit? Really ask yourselves that.

Surely that would be possible. They chose not to, though. I'm not an accountant. But there are so many variations of company ownership. Were Towers and his cohorts really the philanthropists they were made out to be when they handed over that tenner to BMW (all that "top executives dealing with a lot of personal risk" stuff the papers reported) they would have been able to find another way.

The fact is they did it in such a way that, were MG Rover to collapse (incidentally, I sincerely hope that it doesn't), they'd still have lots of cash personally. Take the money and run!

Hardly a good omen for the workers, is it?

Hardly instills confidence in potential customers?

Does it sound like the actions of an optimistic management?

They're minimising personal risk. I've used the rats and sinking ships analogy already. But it's worth repeating. It's how most people (non-MG Rover enthusiasts) will think of them.

They knew when they did this what the public's reaction would be. They knew how the press would deal with it. Yet still they did it.

It makes me thoroughly depressed.

They've chosen to do what they've done despite the fact they had full knowledge of how it would look. And it's not just how it looks. It's how it is.
 
#19 ·
So what would MG Rover do, without making cars, engines or having a delaer network to distibute parts that they don't even make themselves.

They might have seperated the business, but think about it, every part of the business revolves around the central car operation. That dies, the rest goes with it, plain and simple. The cars stop being made, powertrain have no engines to make, the parts suppliers lose business and will stop making parts, which couldnt be distributed anyway as there would be no dealers - so what are they left with ? A hotel - nice. This suggests the seperation of the business was for other purposes and not to safeguard 4 blokes income streams.

Are we all forgetting the repayment of the BMW loan once profit is achieved, seems the british press are unwittingly trying to show MG Rover's true accounting to reveal that in fact they may have to start paying back money to BMW.

Shame when they realise it will probably be too late!
 
#23 ·
if its inacurat and lie ing then MGR need to sue them big time very publicly and perhaps the press will check there imfomation befor they print it just to avoid any similer incedents.

its one thing being negertive to a company and i can live with that but to tell half truths and lie is rediclas:cus: :cus: :irked:
 
#25 ·
ml.williams said:
if its inacurat and lie ing then MGR need to sue them big time very publicly and perhaps the press will check there imfomation befor they print it just to avoid any similer incedents.

its one thing being negertive to a company and i can live with that but to tell half truths and lie is rediclas:cus: :cus: :irked:
It's called fair comment and a lot of the facts are not in dispute. What is an issue is the spin put on it. However, the ostrich like refusal of MGR to deal with this in the past is now making journos think there is something to hide.

Instead of threats, some explanations. Instead of wild conspiracy theories, some evidence.

BTW its not a coincidence the story ran today as all the press is full of geneva show news and always is this time of year.
 
#26 ·
If IC Birmingham's report is right, then MGR management are playing an old trick.

They say "See you in court!" and say they're going to their lawyers.

It's a common way of trying to get a more sympathetic story after a damning one has been written.

The story, reported elsewhere by anyone who doesn't like The Guardian (all the rightwing papers for a start) and nervous news operations like BBC West Midlands, becomes something like: "MG Rover bosses are threatening to sue after a damning report in The Guardian."

Of course, they never do sue.

They might have a meeting with the lawyer and then we hear nothing more about it.

That's real spin for you.

I'll be impressed only when they go to court.