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Autocar: RD60/ X120 / SAIC

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#1 ·
According to this weeks Autocar MGR have restarted the RD60 programme, and are talking to TWR/ Pininfarina about outsourcing the job. They are also resuming work on a groundbreaking interior. They are also considering giving the MG X120 the greenlight. Apparantly this is a coupe version of the RD60.

Finally Autocar say that sources "close to MGR" claim that the SAIC deal will culminate in a takeover. However this deal is threatened by BMW's ownership of the Rover brand. BMW would also demand repayment of the 500 million.


Where do BMW get off? They screwed MGR out of the new MINI and Land Rover, they left Longbridge, MG and Rover to die and now they mght try and sink a takeover by SAIC? Is it personal? or are they just scared of the competition?
 
#3 ·
I think it will be in our own best interests that we protest a takeover.

I'm all for partnerships, but we simply cannot allow our last remain volume car manufacturer fall into more foreign hands.

The Malasians taking over Lotus is a bit much but this will be taking the p1ss...:err:
 
#4 ·
Bazzer_Mcbead said:
I think it will be in our own best interests that we protest a takeover.

I'm all for partnerships, but we simply cannot allow our last remain volume car manufacturer fall into more foreign hands.

The Malasians taking over Lotus is a bit much but this will be taking the p1ss...:err:
Sorry but MGR are the last remenants of a once great empire. They are up to their necks in it right now. It would be grossly irresponsible to protest a takeover if it saves all the Longbridge jobs! We still don't know where the next 25 and TF will come from and we have a deal with TATA for a car which most people on here don't like except me. Given that situation, I would welcome almost anyone who is commited to Longbridge and has some cash to splash!

As for Rover being more valuable to SAIC than MG, well I too have heard this. Apparantly the Chinese think the Rover brand as big potential in China.
 
#5 ·
MGROVERnut said:
According to this weeks Autocar MGR have restarted the RD60 programme, and are talking to TWR/ Pininfarina about outsourcing the job. They are also resuming work on a groundbreaking interior. They are also considering giving the MG X120 the greenlight. Apparantly this is a coupe version of the RD60.
Remember where you heard that first...

Regards,
Keith
 
#10 ·
I hope MG Rover maintain their independence if they don't the chinese will eventually move out and all Rovers will be made in China.

Quality is not the Chinese trademark certainly not everywhere.

Remember the Toyota empire is made from Austins what next?

If MG Rover go totally Chinese guess i'll be driving a UK built Honda I'll quit the MG owners club and say hey Britains are losers. Either that or I'll emigrate and buy Holdens.

Guess what Hitler started, Thatcher continued , then blair and us weak Brits finished. Last man put the light out.

I hope some of the new models take off big time and demand means that MGR will make sufficient money to stay independent.

delboy / drobbins
 
#11 ·
Just curious, not wanting to start a political debate, but is the reason people blame Thatcher for the demise of our car industry because they weren't actually born, or were too young to see what was happening and form their own opinions, when old Labour and the Communist dominated unions really decimated the manufacturing base in this country, so they don't fully realise just what damage they had wrought by 1979?

To me Thatcher and her anti-union policies is probably the most important thing that saved what was left of the car industry in this country. To me that's the only reason Jaguar, Land Rover & BL Cars (as it was at the time) lived to fight another day. Plus of course we had Nissan, Toyota and Honda coming in and proving that a British built car could be as reliable as a Japanese one, so it always puzzles me when Thatcher is cited as one of the destructive elements in the BL story.
 
#12 ·
Londonbabe said:
Just curious, not wanting to start a political debate, but is the reason people blame Thatcher for the demise of our car industry because they weren't actually born, or were too young to see what was happening and form their own opinions, when old Labour and the Communist dominated unions really decimated the manufacturing base in this country, so they don't fully realise just what damage they had wrought by 1979?

To me Thatcher and her anti-union policies is probably the most important thing that saved what was left of the car industry in this country. To me that's the only reason Jaguar, Land Rover & BL Cars (as it was at the time) lived to fight another day. Plus of course we had Nissan, Toyota and Honda coming in and proving that a British built car could be as reliable as a Japanese one, so it always puzzles me when Thatcher is cited as one of the destructive elements in the BL story.

Agree with you Londonbabe, 100%
 
#13 ·
Although thatchers anti-union stance helped Britain just about everything else she did harmed Britain. She was very bad news for this country and if you see how many companies went to the wall in the Thatcher years you'll see what I mean. I'm old enuf to remember.

She was a free open market, anti inventionist type (rather like Tony) and its done us nothing but harm.

She praised Jaguar at one point for doing so well under John Egan only to see it sold out to the Americans within months. Leyland collapsed in that era, Foden were bought by the yanks and its got worse from there.

Bit like what has repeated in the Blair years ERF is now MAN.

Clearly its not all her fault but there's 'no gain without pain' strategy has not really hleped us at all. Germany and France have done just as well and they've not had the heartache.
 
#15 ·
Again, not wishing to wade too deep in the political mire, but Maggie was as much as anything a symptom of what had gone before her - extreme political upheavals often follow a period of opposite extremism; if something goes badly wrong, the 'medicine' administered is often a very strong antibiotic! One reason the Germans and others have done so well is that they - and in particular their industries - haven't had to endure such violent swings.
 
#16 ·
Hi

The X120 part of the Autocar story reflects what I knew of the project from my German friend in the components industry.

After hearing what you told me, I've adjusted my own expectations of the project.

So what do you know about MEL's involvement with the facelift/replacement TF?

Regards,
Keith
 
#17 ·
delboy said:
I hope MG Rover maintain their independence if they don't the chinese will eventually move out and all Rovers will be made in China.

Remember the Toyota empire is made from Austins what next?
.

delboy / drobbins
As an anorak, I feel it is my duty to point out Austin actually helped the Nissan/Datsun company start up.

no offence delboy!!
 
#18 ·
No offense taken. Toyotas First car (Toyopet) was a badged Austin made under license.

Not sure of their involvement with Datsun.

A Brit aslo helped VW restart after the war. Shame.

And we also Helped a small wlesh oufit called Hyundai (Hugh and Dai) get of the ground.

There was a lot of pain incidentally for many in the Thatcher years. It wasn't clearly all her fault but it was very very extreme.

We've had more of the same from TB and co who are really cons in drag.
 
#19 ·
Yes the Thatcher years damaged MGR. Thatchers love of Free Trade damaged MGR immensely. I don't think Thatcher was all bad but unrestrained Free trade has done immense damage to our car industry! Look at Renault in "protectionist France". They are currently doing well and even own most of Nissan. they had loads of state hand outs and were in serious trouble a few years ago. But they are booming now.

It beats me why people say protectionism fails. The US is very protectionist, and the EU are constantly taking them to the WTO for protectionism. They protect their Airlines, they protect their steel, they protect Detroit (US federal laws). A few years ago BA tried to take over an American Airlines but were stopped by US law from buying more than 48% of an American Airline. Just watch this space and wait and see the Americans buy BA once their airline industry recovers! So much for Free trade.
 
#20 ·
delboy said:
No offense taken. Toyotas First car (Toyopet) was a badged Austin made under license.

Not sure of their involvement with Datsun.

A Brit aslo helped VW restart after the war. Shame.

And we also Helped a small wlesh oufit called Hyundai (Hugh and Dai) get of the ground.

And one Japanese company - I think Isuzu - licence built Hillman Minxs in the 50's!

Read in a corporate history that Hyundai Motor started out making Cortina Mk2s, then when they wanted to build their own design, Ford said no way, so they called in the Brits - most were exBL who were sick of the bureaucracy of the massive BL organisation, and appreciated the Korean ability to just get stuck in and do things!
 
#21 · (Edited)
Protectionism is deffo the reason why all of our businesses are being taken over and raped coz of it.

Blair and all of the other tossers ought to be ashamed that he has'nt protected our industrys from these foreign take overs. GET UP OFF YOUR **** BLAIR AND DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :guns3:
 
#22 ·
delboy said:
No offense taken. Toyotas First car (Toyopet) was a badged Austin made under license.

Not sure of their involvement with Datsun.

A Brit aslo helped VW restart after the war. Shame.

And we also Helped a small wlesh oufit called Hyundai (Hugh and Dai) get of the ground.
One criticism I have of this country is that sometimes we're just in it for a quick buck. Did we really not think that helping out overseas firms to get going with car manufacturing was going to come back and bite us some day.

It's like the amount of jobs that are being sent off-shore, the guy who suggests it gets a big fat bonus for cost cutting couldn't care less about the long-term effects.
 
#23 ·
The trouble with Maggies 'free trade' and 'leave it to market forces' policies meant that while everyone else was protecting their companies and heritage, ours were cast adrift to be swallowed up.

As a true labour man :)yikes: ), Tony Blair has continued this sort of policy. But it's too late. We just let everything we ever had, that we were proud of, to be sold (down the river) abroad.

Maggie Thatcher, Tony Blair, 70's management and unions have all caused this to happen. What matters now is that we hold onto what is left, protect and nurture it, and build it up once more.

Then we can be truly proud of the UK again. As it stands at the moment, this country is a dying carcass, with foreign vultures flying in and taking any last worthwhile scraps!! :yikes:

Bazzer,

GET UP OFF YOUR **** BLAIR AND DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best thing he can do is resign, and the best thing we can all do is vote against Labour and Conservative who have BOTH ****ed up our industry, and get someone in who is passionate about this country.

After all, as these parties have stood by while UK manufacturing has declined, they've made sure the only jobs advertised seem to be in call centres (for ÂŁ11k a year), and now they're letting those same jobs get shipped out to India. So where will be all working after that then??
 
#25 ·
Of course this is all opinion far from the thread tittle.. but i wanna add my pennies worth too..

Thatcher like Blair was the only option at the time, pls take a look at the opposition..

Thatcher, I reckon, saved the UK from near certain bankruptcy, she also sorted the unions so unprofitable and unsustainable industries either sorted themselves out or died...


However she had no concept of society, of compassion.. if you couldn't get off your **** and work, tough.. She also had little concern about people having a fair wage or a fair standard of living.. I remember ÂŁ1 a hour jobs well..

Her opponents at the time were the laughable and militant Micheal Foot and the uncharismatic Neil Kinnock.

Blair has done ok i reckon, Iraq aside.. especially in terms of social justice.. Human rights act, minimum wage, gay rights, massive increases in spending on health and education.. tax credits (my sister has just started getting them) as well as catching up on two decades or more of underinvestment in our infastructure.. blah blah oh and in maintaining a stable economy
against all odds.. Remember recessions anyone?

I do dislike;

His croneyism.. the best people, not mates should get the job.. tho trust to do the job may play apart here.. that he hasn't made some of the radical and bold changes to this country that he could have.

His blindfolded modernisation of our constitution..I quite like some powers being held by non power seeking politicians.. i.e. the Queen/Lords.

The avid use of indiscriminate cameras on our roads..

Devious tax poilicies.. that often hit the poorest hardest, You get what you pay for, and together we can buy more.. so lets be honest and fair about it..

However he needs to let go of the top seat soon.. no human is capable of working that hard for that long whilst remaining being competant.

I hate the spin all politicians use, we ain't stupid.. but also understand the pressures forced by the reactions and misguidence by the press..


I believe both of these leaders had their hearts in the right places.. I personally know many politicians of all parties and most really do work their arses off, 15++hrs of solid working most days, and most just want to change things for the better.. the difficulty is, better can't be for everyone..

FINALLY and back to the topic of MGR..

MGR is in the state it is because of the British people, as a whole, towards our governments and our country we are a pesimisitc lot always putting ourselves down, rubbishing and holding up whats wrong, like a medal to be proud of...

...and thats what we have done to MGR, rather than support our car industry, governments, industries, communities, we sit around moan and throw stones. How many here contribute that little bit extra, bother to find out the real story.. buy British products and TURN UP AND VOTE!!

GB has a fab economy, has an excellent recent record on human rights, on obeying International and European laws, on paying our way and doing often more than our share.. we are leaders in science and technology, in finance and education, tho few of us use it, we are also a democracy with free speech.. there is a lot to commend about GB ltd..

Example one.. MGR has struggled against all odds to survive, it now makes at least decent cars.. yet the British shun them without thought..

Example two; Society is falling apart, kids are out of control.. how many British people try and actually do something to correct it? i.e voluntary work..

At least Politicians try and do something about the society we live in.. most of us can't see further than our own front doors..

Example three;

you see some litter near an empty bin in the street.. do you

a) pick it up as you don't want to live in a tip
or
b) ignore it and compaign about the state of the place.. its someone elses job etc

If you got this far, thanks for reading lol.. RANT OVER..
 
#26 ·
Thatchers measures did expose the British car industry to competition it couldn't handle, and undoubtedly led to the take-over of much of the industry into foreign hands -but it could be argued that the industry would not have been so uncompetitive in the first place had years of restrictive practices, heavy union activity, and part government ownership not taken place, under previous Labour and Tory governments. It seems to me that Thatcher had the right idea, but should perhaps have persued her policies slower and given business time to adjust to the new circumstances before withdrawing all governemtn support.