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All over for my Rover - out with a bang :-(

3K views 25 replies 20 participants last post by  MoonKlash  
#1 ·
Well, my new R45 that I bought last month has just been taken off on the back of the knackers pickup truck. It was a short affair really, and this will be my last Rover.
It decided to shove the con rod through the wall of the block, shattering the piston liner and spark plug, along with piston 4. This happened at motorway speeds so it made rather a loud bang and a lot of smoke when it went. I am very dissapointed that an engine that was supposed to only have done 45K has gone this way so soon. It had been pretty tappety since I bought it, and ran a bit rough on startup, and I saw a bit of oil deposits on no 4 pot spark plug when I changed it 2 weeks ago. I thought it was only tappet noise, but it seems that it was something worse.

The garage stipulated no warranty implied or given, as it was a trade in bargain, so I have lost all my money and am now carless. I got ÂŁ200 scrap for a 52 plate 1.8 Ixs Auto with 46K on the clock, so am very unhappy.

I am having my Mother's old Toyota Yaris in a few weeks, so will be leaving the forums. Was nice to have been able to help out other owners with their problems - pity I was not able to recognise major engine failure in the making with my own car though.

Hey ho - live and learn. R.I.P my Green Rover 45.
 
#3 ·
Cant afford it - and the 1.8 engines are apparently much harder to get hold of in good nick, as the MGF's use them. Have cut my losses, and the car has gone - some you win, some you lose, and this one, I couldnt repair myself as I dont have facilities for an engine change, and certainly cant afford garage labour rates.
 
#4 ·
The garage gave you a standard reply that most people accept.

In fact, there is no such thing as "sold as seen" "trade in so no warranty"

under the terms of the sale of good act you have rights. Up to 6 months after purchase, if the the car develops a fault, it is deemed to have been present when the car was sold so the seller should fix it or give you your money back, unless the seller can prove it was not present or what failed is fair wear and tear. (things like clutches are a common one here)

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u...o.uk/forum/showthread.php?299354-Car-bought-from-dealer-broke-down-4-days-later!
 
#5 ·
The garage gave you a standard reply that most people accept.

In fact, there is no such thing as "sold as seen" "trade in so no warranty"

under the terms of the sale of good act you have rights. Up to 6 months after purchase, if the the car develops a fault, it is deemed to have been present when the car was sold so the seller should fix it or give you your money back, unless the seller can prove it was not present or what failed is fair wear and tear. (things like clutches are a common one here)

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u....uk/forum/showthread.php?299354-Car-bought-from-dealer-broke-down-4-days-later!
Thats what I thought - but to be honest, I just dont want all the wrangling and court action etc etc. It wont have been the first time I have bought an old car which has had major maechanical failure within a month of buying it. Its very much Buyer Beware nowadays, and a matter of a bit of luck as to whether a second hand car will last the distance.
As I say, my mother is having a new car in a fortnight and is giving me her 1 litre Toyota Yaris - not much power but a godsend with the price of petrol.
I did like my Rovers but I just cant be bothered with the K series engine again after this has happened.
 
#6 ·
Sorry but it's very much NOT buyer beware these days; in fact, I'd say the opposite is true.

Sales of Goods Act covers the sale no matter what the garage told you. Yes, context is important (price paid, etc.) but you still have redress. It costs around ÂŁ30 to file a claim through the small claims court last time I checked (if it gets that far).

Entirely up to you, but if you really aren't that bothered and can afford to just throw money away then you certainly have a lot more of it than I do :D
 
#7 ·
Sorry but it's very much NOT buyer beware these days; in fact, I'd say the opposite is true.

Sales of Goods Act covers the sale no matter what the garage told you. Yes, context is important (price paid, etc.) but you still have redress. It costs around ÂŁ30 to file a claim through the small claims court last time I checked (if it gets that far).

Entirely up to you, but if you really aren't that bothered and can afford to just throw money away then you certainly have a lot more of it than I do :D
I dont have the money - or I'd have replaced the engine. It would be like David and Goliath me trying to sue the dealer, as it was a registed MG dealer, and I'm sure they would trump up some excuse, and say that it was stated in the ad on Ebay that the car was sold as seen with no warranty. The car has gone now, so its pointless anyway.
Here is the ad from ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250740637235&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT.
 
#10 ·
At ÂŁ1200 (or therabouts) purchase price I would certainly be inclined to contact the garage it was not offered at a bargain of the century price! Buyers have a lot of rights, I think you may have had a reasonable case to put to them.

The scrap man must be rubbing his hands :(
 
#11 ·
At ÂŁ1200 (or therabouts) purchase price I would certainly be inclined to contact the garage it was not offered at a bargain of the century price! Buyers have a lot of rights, I think you may have had a reasonable case to put to them.

The scrap man must be rubbing his hands :(
I had to twist his arm to get ÂŁ200, as he only wanted to pay ÂŁ150. Apparently the price of scrap has fallen substantially recently (Typical!)

The garage would have just said that I had thrashed the engine, or put the wrong oil in it or some other excuse to blame me for the engine's demise.
I cant do anything now as I have already sold the car to the scrap man.
But I am noting all your points about dealers and "sold as seen" for future occasions. I have had to learn an expensive lesson, but at least I am getting another car given to me by my mother for free, although I dont know how I will get on driving a 1.0 lol
 
#14 ·
As others have said you do have more re-dress than you have originally been told.

A car that blows up that quickly after purchase was NOT fit for purpose.

Unfortnunately by having the car scrapped you have now just thrown it all away.

Not saying you had to keep the thing until it was all setteld, but you should have spoken to trading standards first, informed the dealer to give fincial compensation\fix it and if they ignore you then take them to the small claims court.

Hope you get on with your yaris!
 
#16 ·
To be fair to the garage, there is no way they would have known the car was going to through a rod - I work for a van dealership of the german variety and we see brand new engines with less that 10000miles that throw a leg out the bed, and even a brand new van that hadnt even covered 1000 miles done the same.

As a mechanic, doing a pre-delivery inspection - I would have no way to know that an engine was going to do that.

Hard luck cookie - its hit or miss with used cars - I bought a 216 coupe a couple of years ago and the head gasket blew after a couple of weeks. The dealer basically laughed when i threatened court action for not supporting the warranty claim.
 
#17 ·
Very true. It would of been a hard one to prove, Im pretty sure fit for purpose only covers things that were obviously wrong when the car was sold, which to this day i still cant see how the buyer or seller can prove it either way. Its one persons word against another.
 
#18 ·
I agree with what others have said - you have thrown away a perfectly salvageable car. Although I do understand that if you are not able to replace the engine yourself then obviously a garage would have had to do it, which as you say will cost a fair amount, and if you cant afford that then theres not alot you can do about that. Though you should have kept the car until you did have the money to replace the engine ~I would rather have a nice low mileage decent but dead Rover 45, and not enough money than no 45 at all and not enough money. Failing that you could have offered it here on the forums/on Rovertech etc. or at the very least put it on ebay as spares/repair - someone would have wanted it.

Bit late now though.
 
#19 ·
The price of scrap will go up and down day by day.The price of scrap at the moment is quite good. Thats why you see these scrap men driving around in Transit pickups looking arounds estates for anything from push bikes to washing machines.You can always tell when the price go's up as you'll see loads of them on the estate.