Looks nice, but it really needs LED side light bulbs :lol:

12000 is a bit high. Might get pulled for being a bit too blue.
Im running 6000k and they are a nice white
*waits for somebody to complain about blinding / mot / legal issues*

 

Oh noes! HID lights! You're going to blind everyone and give dogs eye-cancer everywhere then fail your MOT and get pulled by the police! Just like all those people in evil BMW's and Range Rovers! :twak: :err: :lol:

Seriously, though; get some LED side-lights! :dddc:

 

Police my way are not really botherd tbh,but as regards for the legall issue my local mot place said,if the beam pattern is the same i can put anything in there,quite good value too,think they were only 20 quid from flea bay

 

Sorry to hijack,, but does anybody have a good conversion kit link?

 

had mine from here,quality seems to be good but only had em few days,I drove next doors car earlier towards mine lights are totall not the ones that sting your eyes lol,they just look good,heres a link

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....SAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110658332837&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123#ht_7061wt_954

 

very good price, I bought the dual hids for my limo so hi/lo beam. not this brand though.

im guessing these are single beam.

That passed its mot with them in no problem.

didnt dare go 12k. 8k for me and they are only slightly blue.

make sure you double insulate the ht part after the balast. you really dont want vibration wearing through those cables. thats some serious voltage.

 

Eugh. More pnp hid kits in reflector headlights. Kits like this are the reason the DOT are clamping down on aftermarket conversions.

 

if youre doing a job do it properly. make sure you get the angles adjusted at least

 

i thought they changed the laws on hid's and mot's now (or early 2012) so that ALL hid kits fitted after market will be an on the spot fail??

 

Most MOT places will probably just ignore them anyway haha

Also, i don't think its as simple as that...

Say you bought a Land Rover without HIDS, but the car is clearly designed for them, and you go about fitting them yourself.

Would they still be illegal?
Even though the car is perfectly designed for them, everything is there for them etc...

 

I know this subject does cause a lil contriversy lol,but until the car gets stopped or it fails an mot the lights stay,I know all the advice on here is good but,the local mot station have said there fine,all the beam patterns are correct an they cannot see an issue with them,i think everycar should have some.The difference in light is amazing an this will surely stop accidents long term,theres two sides for the argument mine is,i have my kids in car evryday so any little advantage to keeping them safe sounds good too me:bgrin2:

 

12k will be rubbish light output anyway but the only way you can get a perfect beam pattern is with projectors. Hid bulbs have different light output and hotspots to alien bulbs and the oe reflectors are just not designed for it.

 

i personally LOVE my HIDS, they are very crisp white, and i can see far better!

and i can guarantee they to NOT dazzle anyone at any height, or any angle, as i have tried and tested it over and over... i would gladly let anyone come and see for them self's lol

Im not saying you cant get badly fitted ones or even cars that are just simply BAD when fitted with hids, but not all cars are the same and not all fittings are done the same.

But i personally wouldnt go higher than 6k as it just looks stupid, blue, and actually gives you WORSE visibility.

 

well friend of mine got a 25,he paid 130 for his hid kit,8000k an there not much difference in mine,as for the brightness its still 10 or 20 times brighter than the phillips halogens i just took out,its the quality of the light too,mine are a ultraviolet colour an im well impressed in all fairness.Not sure if i would want halogens ever again now

 

The K rating isnt how bright they are.

Its the colour temp...

 

But higher k IS also less bright (lower lumen value), see below:

Standard OEM halogen 55W 9006(HB4) = 1100lm (lumens)

4300k D2S Philips = 3200lm (lumens)
4300k D2R Philips = 2800lm (lumens)
4300k D2S Philips = 2400lm (lumens) actually 5800k
4300k D2R Philips = 2000lm (lumens) actually 5800k
4800k D4S/R (brand) = 3800 (lumens) ** brightest in the market
5800k D4S/R (brand) = 3300 (lumens)
7000k D2S other = 1790lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)
7000k D2R other = 1390lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)
8000k D2S other = 1180lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)
8000k D2R other = 780lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)

Higher than 8000k, the light output significantly drops off, causing the light to be almost useless.

 

yeah but there still brighter and a better quality of lights,compared to the old halogens,most new cars now are using xenon as standard,my local mot man,he quite old,he said everyone was the same when they changed to halogen,people complaining they were too bright and dangerous,some people just dont like change i think lol:simples:

 

if 8000k gives off 780 lumens, how can 12000k be brighter? lol

standards are roughly 1100 Lumans, 12000k's will be actually worse.

Also they are very blue, which reflects off fog etc, when oranger lights cut through fog better.

So actually they would be worse lol

I wouldnt ever go higher than 6k on HIDS anyway, white FTW!

 

not quite sure m8,i know they are alot brighter than my halogens i took out,I aint drove through fog yet to test em lol,if i get chance later il fit the phillips halogen one side an the xenon other side to show the difference

 

You are mistaking glare for brightness. Its a common mistake,

Glare annoys other road users and is dangerous.

The higher the colour temp the greater the glare.

4300K is usually the brightest HID "bulb" available. As the colour temperature increases the light output drops significantly
4300K is white
6000K is white with a slight blue hue
8000K is blue
1200K is almost purple

Anything over 6000K is going to get unwanted attention from plod.

 

You are mistaking glare for brightness. Its a common mistake,

Glare annoys other road users and is dangerous.

The higher the colour temp the greater the glare.

4300K is usually the brightest HID "bulb" available. As the colour temperature increases the light output drops significantly
4300K is white
6000K is white with a slight blue hue
8000K is blue
1200K is almost purple

Anything over 6000K is going to get unwanted attention from plod.

I thought the 3000k bulbs often used for HID fogs were the brightest?

4300k is halogen colour with a slight yellow tinge
5000k is pure white
6000k slight blue tint

Cheaper HID bulbs will also colour-shift a bit once "run-in", so a 5000k bulb can actually develop a blue hue in time.

If you fancy looking like a massive plonker you can actually buy 36000k green HID kits:

 

you get stopped by police for defo with them,just for being so stupid,the 12000k aint tha bad lol

 

If they are genuine 12000K then they are that bad.

Take a picture with a digital camera with your car and another car with the headlights on. If possible set up the white balance on the other car.

 

didn have time to change back,here pic of the colour,iv just drove about for hour or so with me m8 behind be in front head on etc,he said there was no occasions when these bulbs blinded or dazzled him,so unless the plod stop me an make me change them i think il keep em,each to there own i suppose,mot station said there fine,i mentioned about the law changing,he told me dont worry about,there fine so happy days

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/807/image0232.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/image0235k.jpg/

 

This thread makes me want white HID's.

Didn't think I was into this stuff.

 

This thread makes me want white HID's.

Didn't think I was into this stuff.

Kris, What bulbs does the 400 use?

I've got some H4's you can try out if you want to test them before hand. (some lamp designs suit them - some certainly do not!).

 

theres some cheap kits floating around now,think i seen some 19.99 with free delivery,not sure how long they would last mind,I dont think you would regret buying em m8

 

I'll be honest I have no idea regarding HID things, all I know is they drive me nuts whenever someones driving towards me (and thus I do a bit of swearing)

and I have no idea what bulbs I use either, but I'll take a peek next time I'm with the 400 and find out. How does a pair of EPROM's sound in return?

I've got a decent source of projector units if you fancy a proper retrofit job Kris

Might do actually, got to watch the pennies as I'm saving up for more mapping kit, but if you can recommend a unit that'd be handy.

My 400 lights do actually come across white to me. It's just when you put them next to dan's they just look bright yellow LOL.

 

I'll be honest I have no idea regarding HID things, all I know is they drive me nuts whenever someones driving towards me (and thus I do a bit of swearing)

and I have no idea what bulbs I use either, but I'll take a peek next time I'm with the 400 and find out. How does a pair of EPROM's sound in return?




Might do actually, got to watch the pennies as I'm saving up for more mapping kit, but if you can recommend a unit that'd be handy.

My 400 lights do actually come across white to me. It's just when you put them next to dan's they just look bright yellow LOL.

My lights look perfectly white, but the fact that the facelift lights have the sidelight (white LED) and dipped beam together makes them look whiter.

If you're handy with fabricating mountings i think i can get my hands on a whole variety of decent projector units for headlights, not the chinese rubbish sold on ebay

 

I may be interested in that, as I can't get a good pattern on the van with HID's, (so I don't use them in that). I'm sure I could fit a set of projectors in

All my others have them fitted though and the pattern is good.

Kris, If they are H4 then pop over and try them out. If the pattern is good then we can sort something out I'm sure

Mine are all 4300K (aside for some special ones which are 3000K )

 

I may be interested in that, as I can't get a good pattern on the van with HID's, (so I don't use them in that). I'm sure I could fit a set of projectors in

If you fancy having a mess around with it then let me know the dimensions you would need, not sure what size projector you could fit in the lamps as im not too familiar with them.

They would deffo need brackets fabricating, but you seem to be a bit of a dab hand with that sort of thing anyway.

 

Kris, If they are H4 then pop over and try them out.

I'll give you a shout then, I think I'll be visiting the area in the near future based on what was said a few weeks ago, but we'll see.

If you're stuck for chips I can always post some out to you to try, but I don't know whether you're at that stage with the van yet.

 

Van can be chipped whenever. I think I'll get you to set me up with the stuff needed to write chips as you know how much tweaking you have to do to get it right. The ECU I have already socketed at yours I think. Remember I had a few issues as the board had a fault on it!

 

Yeah it was just a cold solder joint wasn't it?

You'll have some gear to buy, I think you have the gear for actually writing the maps?

If you're using sdi injectors then I'd be tempted to try and use the stock pump voltage mapping and then you can just edit the torque limiters, smokemap and drivers wish to suit. Push the fuel quantity up too high and you might need to make changes to pump tension map but cross that bridge if/when you meet it.