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I was discussing cars with my brother earlier after fitting some new back lights for him. We got on to how our cars performed. I was pretty shocked to learn his Punto sporting 1.2 has a top speed of 110 mph and a 0-60 in 10.5 secs, and a torque figure of 113 yet the car is only 86 bhp.

The rover 214 only has a torque figure of 94 yet it's 103 bhp and a top speed of 111 mph and a 0-60 in 10 secs

Now i thought the Rover 214 was quick, but a 1.2 Punto almost equalling it and having a bit more torque?

How come, surely there isn't much weight difference?
 

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Different characterists to the engine, induction, exhaust etc.

No two engines from different manufacturers are the same.
 

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look at some motorbikes, 1100 cc honda blackbird engine does about 140 bhp sumat like that, but its hardly any torque cos of the lower weight it has to carry
 

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Yeh, but exactly what have they done to the engine to make it almost a match for what should be a more powerful 1.4 Rover engine, both are injected and 16v.
 

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could be anything, theres lots of affecting factors. Such as the bore and stroke, injectors, manifold, ecu, gearing. Its not as simple as one single thing.
 

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The FIAT engines have always been very strong engines. It's purely down to the design, simple as that. The FIRE engine which came out in the 80's was a fantastic engine and the best 1 litre around at the time.

And turbo capable out of the box.
 

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Bloomin quick for a 1.2 tho wouldn't you agree and the car is 80k lighter?

In any case the Rover still kicked his ass on the dual carrigeway today, but only just.
 

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I think you are comfusing lbft and Nm values. The 1.4 k is quoted as 123Nm in mpi form. I can't see how the fiat 1.2 can produce 113lbft, though i've not looked it up. That weight difference will make a serious difference though. Try taking 80kg out of your car, seats, spare wheel, overblown ice install (no offence meant if your into ICE) etc. You'll notice the difference, if you can find 80kg to remove.

But as Stu says, engine design will alwaysl cause major differences to an engines output and character even if the engines seem to be essentially the same on paper.
 

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WJB said:
I think you are comfusing lbft and Nm values. The 1.4 k is quoted as 123Nm in mpi form. I can't see how the fiat 1.2 can produce 113lbft, though i've not looked it up. That weight difference will make a serious difference though. Try taking 80kg out of your car, seats, spare wheel, overblown ice install (no offence meant if your into ICE) etc. You'll notice the difference, if you can find 80kg to remove.

But as Stu says, engine design will alwaysl cause major differences to an engines output and character even if the engines seem to be essentially the same on paper.
I can assure you I'm not mixing anything up. Check out the links below.
http://www.wisebuyers.co.uk/motoring/car-specifications/Rover/200+%281995-00%29/RO001148/

http://www.wisebuyers.co.uk/motoring/car-specifications/Fiat/Punto+%281994-99%29/FI000648/
 

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My trade info site also disagrees with all the figures supplied on the other site.


Fiat Punto 1.2 Sport 16V 1998-2000

0-60 - 10.9 Sec,
BHP Per Tonne 90BHP,
Top Speed - 107MPH,
BHP - 80BHP
Weight 900KG

Rover 214 16V I

0-60 - 10.1 Sec,
BHP Per Tonne - 102BHP,
Top Speed - 111MPH,
BHP - 102BHP
Weight 1015KG
 

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The Punto 1.2 sporting is pretty nippy. This is mainly because of the gearing of the 6-speed gear box: it can be quick, but you have to work hard for it :).
 

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Just had another look on the net and it's in insurance group 7. That is shocking. Whats the performance like over 60MPH that's what I would love to know. The last Punto 1.4 I drove struggled over 80MPH.
 

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Not on hand but I will try and get them. The Rover 214 16V I has 123NM at 4500RPM. The Fiat Punto 1.2 16V Sport has 83NM at 5300RPM. I will double check the Fiat ones later.
 

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The Punto 1.2 sporting is pretty nippy. This is mainly because of the gearing of the 6-speed gear box: it can be quick, but you have to work hard for it :).
What do you mean 6 speed gearbox? It's only got five as far as I know. I'll have to check with my bro.
 

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I am pretty sure the later ones from the end of 99 had the 6 speed box. But that is when the car was face lifted.
 
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