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I dont read the sh*t anyway, dont buy any of them then hopefully those obnoxius bastar*s in there ivory towers will lose there jobs.
 

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I would have thought that most readers of this forum would be more sensible than this. If Rover go under (sob!) then it is not the fault of the media, it is because the public are not buying Rover cars. No single newspaper has the influence on sales that you you are suggesting.

The reason that Rover cars are not selling is because Rover are not currently producing cars that the public want to buy. This is due to many reasons, but the main one is that the majority of the models being produced are very old, and a lot of punters prefer to buy new models. Facelifts keep the models reasonably fresh, but nobody can deny that a new 25 and 45 are well overdue.

Another problem with the company at the moment is that the directors have feathered their own nest at the expense of investment in new models. Whatever happens, they will walk away with many £millions£ while the Rover workforce walks out of the gate to join the dole queue. This is not wrong, and they would have been foolish not to do so, but it does demonstrate the malaise within the company.

Don't blame the messengers.
 

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Just imagine what Rovers sales would now stand at if there had never been any negative press. If The Independant hadn't started rumours about 2300 job losses. If The Grauniad hadn't started casting doubt on Rovers finances. If The Times hadn't started criticising every decision made by P4.


Ok so they haven't killed the comapny and won't on their own, but they have probably cost 100,000 sales over the last 2 years.

If a paper is prepared to MAKE SOMETHING UP, how can you trust it? Why would you buy it? They can have an opinion, a negative opinion, and print it over and over, but errors and lies are unacceptable.
 

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Copperleaf Fred said:
I would have thought that most readers of this forum would be more sensible than this. If Rover go under (sob!) then it is not the fault of the media, it is because the public are not buying Rover cars. No single newspaper has the influence on sales that you you are suggesting.

The reason that Rover cars are not selling is because Rover are not currently producing cars that the public want to buy. This is due to many reasons, but the main one is that the majority of the models being produced are very old, and a lot of punters prefer to buy new models. Facelifts keep the models reasonably fresh, but nobody can deny that a new 25 and 45 are well overdue.

Another problem with the company at the moment is that the directors have feathered their own nest at the expense of investment in new models. Whatever happens, they will walk away with many £millions£ while the Rover workforce walks out of the gate to join the dole queue. This is not wrong, and they would have been foolish not to do so, but it does demonstrate the malaise within the company.

Don't blame the messengers.
I can't agree with you on this one.

One of the reasons the public aren't buying MG Rover cars isn't because the models are old, it is because the general public have been frightened by the media into the situation where they fear that if they buy a car, then the company will go bankrupt, thus risking their warranty, resale value etc. I've read two such posts on this site alone in the past week where people have ordered cars, and are thinking of backing out, because of the negative press. If this is affecting the enthusiasts, what do you think the media effect has happened to the general public?

The facelifts are beginning to work, as can be evidenced by the sales figures. Sales of the Rover 25/MG ZR and Rover 45/MG ZS have increased over last year, only the 75 seems to be letting the side down. And this can probably be traced to the fact that most people that would be in the market for a 75/ZT would probably read the 'Quality' press - therefore would probably believe the trash that has been written and hold back from buying a 75/ZT.
 

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It's not that it's wrong to report some of the negatives about MGR, but when the press never writes anything positive about it, and when the negative stuff often has no firm basis or is basically incorrect, you quickly lose patience with the them.

Since I don't believe MGR will fail, this isn't really an issue for me.

However, I was a regular on-line reader of The Guardian, since it purchased The Observer.

Their campaign has been personal and vindictive, right down to complaining this morning that John Towers had no personality.

When this is all over, I don't know if I will still view their site anymore.
 

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And this can probably be traced to the fact that most people that would be in the market for a 75/ZT would probably read the 'Quality' press - therefore would probably believe the trash that has been written and hold back from buying a 75/ZT.
I read the "quality press" on a daily basis and I bought a Rover 75, albeit second hand. The press has such a small influence on car purchasing that I wonder why all of you are getting such twisted knickers.

The press raved about the Fiat Multipla, and Fiat sold about 27 in this country. The press derided the Vauxhall Corsa and Vauxhall sold about 2.7 million. Go figure. The public buy the cars that they want, not what the press tell them to.
 

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If the press is hurting sales why arent MGR doing anything about it? They have done nothing to calm the media, nothing to disprove the scare stories, nothing to reassure buyers and nothing to prove there are any new models on the horizon.

You cant blame the public for not spending their hard earned on dated cars made by a company which they think might fold. You also cant blame the press for printing negative stuff when there not given anything positive to report
 

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MG-R are countering the negative press. They have refuted all allegations. But their mouthpiece for refuting the allegations is the very machine that is making them- the press.


If you read through these pages on here you will see that there are quotes and comments and press releases from MG-R. The papers are burying them. Short of starting their own national paper and news channel, what can they do?
 

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Would it be legal if MG Rover did this?

Bought full page advertising in the Times and the Independent, with the HUGE headline
"The Guardian is a worthless rag full of lies and it has deliberately mounted a campaign to destroy MG Rover and thousands of UK jobs" and then in the copy detail every single word of speculation and lies that the Guardian has printed, and refute them all.

After all you can't sue someone for libel if they are printing the truth.
 

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To answer your question LondonBabe, only if they could verify the truth from another source. Then it is perfectly legal. However, what I would like from MGR is a full page advert stating the real facts of the deal without a hint of childishness. And at the bottom, all the concept diagrams with "Watch this space".

They did the full page ads when BMW did the dirty and it raised a lot of sympathy and also patriotism..... stiff upper lip and all that.

In terms of which papers I would boycott. The only ones are truly despise are the Guardian and Independent for their insipid, weak conjecture based 'news' that has an air of something herbal because they have to be smoking something. I've never bought a copy of either for almost 15 years now and that was when the Independant was actually independent, not a left leaning wannabe Guardian (that's some benchmark to set yourself). I never bought the Guardian ever but then neither do I own a tweed jacket with elbow patches, wear a CND badge, eat lentils or ferment elderberry wine nor can I stand a de-caff latte or live in Hoxton.... such is their target demographic.

Neil Collins in the Telegraph is a pompous twit who I've had previous e-mail exchanges with not just about MGR. One of the laziest journalists I've encountered and needless to say shown him up hoisted by his own petard of his 'facts;. Yet the Telegraph reporting has been basically 'Me too.' about MGR just cobbling together a number of 'sources'. Only their business opinion is the same knackered old ultra free market ******** that only the worst excesses of Gordon Gecko would recognise as making any sense at all. Controversy for contraversy's sake.

The Times, the once greatest newspaper in the world, has been a shadow of its former self for a very long time. I find it ironic that a real lame duck like the Times (only held up by News International and its many tabloids) has the temerity to call MGR the same. They no longer seem to have a consistent tone or principle to any of their writing. I remember the Times being the bellweather of the ruling classes, everyone's yardstick. Now it seems it chases circulation for the sake of circulation and can't get any.

As for the Mirror/Sun etc.... nope, I have no interest in which slapper said what to who and has the biggest knockers. I do love the Sun's patriotism though especially when Rover really were in trouble last time and also they haven't been that scathing of MGR either this time round.

My main news source tends to be Reuters as they are anodyne in their style and usually full of facts, they don't race to be first (unlike the Observer and Guardian) they go for authorative accuracy. They also have real sources and after I did some work on a DTI project a few years ago, the rumour mill was that many Cabinet offices have a back channel to Reuters.

I've even given up on the BBC, they used to be so objective but now their journalists seem to have some self appointed right to add their opinion. If I watch the news on TV, it's always ITN now.
 

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Copperleaf Fred said:
I read the "quality press" on a daily basis and I bought a Rover 75, albeit second hand. The press has such a small influence on car purchasing that I wonder why all of you are getting such twisted knickers.

The press raved about the Fiat Multipla, and Fiat sold about 27 in this country. The press derided the Vauxhall Corsa and Vauxhall sold about 2.7 million. Go figure. The public buy the cars that they want, not what the press tell them to.
Your quotes are completely out of context. Sales will be affected if all the stories in the press are negative and saying that the company is all but bankrupt. This is different to a 'Road Test' review which you are choosing to draw comparisons to sales.

Unfortunately, the only people that help MG Rover and the Phoenix 4 are those that purchase new cars - that is the bottom line.
 

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If the press is hurting sales why arent MGR doing anything about it? They have done nothing to calm the media, nothing to disprove the scare stories, nothing to reassure buyers and nothing to prove there are any new models on the horizon.

You cant blame the public for not spending their hard earned on dated cars made by a company which they think might fold. You also cant blame the press for printing negative stuff when there not given anything positive to report
So how do you propose that MG Rover refute these stories then StreetBoy?

Also, nothing to prove there are any new models on the horizon? What are front page stories on both Autocar and Auto Express, and Front Page of the Motoring Section of the Sun? Scotch mist?
 

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Newspapers will be as good as dead in a few years.

I'll be willing to bet that the Newspaper stall will be a thing of the past and that you will have to pay the 30p from the Suns website to download their daily suppliment on Adobe Acrobat format...

Not a bad idea when you think about it. Better than having to walk to the shops...
 

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I dont read the sh*t anyway, dont buy any of them then hopefully those obnoxius bastar*s in there ivory towers will lose there jobs.
i'll stand next to you and wavew a sign for that one
 
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