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Can anyone give some sound advice please. My Mum spun off the road this morning in her classic mini after hitting black ice and ended up in a fellas garden. I went down and pulled her out from the tree her boot was embedded in with my 25 and she drove home. she has rang the insurance who have said without even inspecting it that it will be a right off (which I expected because there is a lot of damage) and that £1500 is what they would offer!!!. Worse is they want to pick it up and take it away. I want the car to remain here as she is the bloody owner, inspect it, agree a proper price then she can buy it back and I can sell it for spares or repair. Has she the right to say that the car stays here or are they aloud to take it away?. She is insured with Age concern.
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She needs to ask for a salvage option. She must not hand over the V5C (nor agree to). If you do then the car is a gonna.

The car is hers until she agrees otherwise with the insurance company. They cannot take it away.

If she asks for salvage rights they'll usually (but not always) agree a price to deduct from the payout (typically scrap value - but you can always argue that they will have to spend money collecting it too to reduce the salvage value even further).
 

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Thanks ETV, I will tell her when I see her this evening, she will feel a bit better now. I will make sure I am around when they decide to turn up and ask for the salvage option and make sure they don't touch it. She was a bit worried that they would just take it as that's what the guy on the phone told her, I wasn't convinced that's why I asked .Thanks again
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Update, My Mum has received a letter from her insurance it arrived yesterday, enclosed was a cheque for £1535 and a note from a salvage company saying they will be picking up the vehicle for disposal!!!. What the ****** is going on?!!. It also says to contact the salvage company straight away if she doesn't want it removed, so not even asking her just telling her this is what will happen. I have read the policy statement of facts and it states that an inspector will be sent to assess the vehicle for repair if it not worth repairing then a settlement will be agreed which will match a value to replace the vehicle with one the same as the hers or one of similar age and condition. This clearly has not been done and the value on her insurance is for £3000 which again is double what they have pushed on her. I will now have to spend Monday morning ringing up her insurance and the salvage company to sort this out!!!. How can all these rules be ignored and my mum be treated like this? She is now worried that her car will be taken even though both sets of keys are in her possession. What do you people think? Thankyou.
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Update, My Mum has received a letter from her insurance it arrived yesterday, enclosed was a cheque for £1535 and a note from a salvage company saying they will be picking up the vehicle for disposal!!!. What the ****** is going on?!!. It also says to contact the salvage company straight away if she doesn't want it removed, so not even asking her just telling her this is what will happen. I have read the policy statement of facts and it states that an inspector will be sent to assess the vehicle for repair if it not worth repairing then a settlement will be agreed which will match a value to replace the vehicle with one the same as the hers or one of similar age and condition. This clearly has not been done and the value on her insurance is for £3000 which again is double what they have pushed on her. I will now have to spend Monday morning ringing up her insurance and the salvage company to sort this out!!!. How can all these rules be ignored and my mum be treated like this? She is now worried that her car will be taken even though both sets of keys are in her possession. What do you people think? Thankyou.
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Insurance companies always low ball you on their first offer. Although never heard of them just sending a cheque!

Best plan is to scout autotrader/Pistonheads and any other classified ads for classic minis in similar condition to your Mums. Then send this information to the insurance company showing them the real market value of the car.
 

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Just to set a few things straight here so you don't go saying things to them that aren't true.

1. They do NOT have to give you the salvage option. You can request it, but they do not have to give it.

2. That £3000 value you put on it is not an insured value. All it does is gives them an idea of whether it needs to go to an underwriter to be quoted on at the time of giving a quote for cover. The only time that you have any figure to go back to is if you have specifically been through the agreed value process.

Given that 99% of people want to get a claim sorted as quickly as possible, the insurer has done the best it can to make it like that. They have started the process by sending the cheque and arranging to have the car recovered. This offer can be rejected if that is what you want to do.

They haven't actually done anything wrong, they do not legally need to send anyone to look at the car. They can make a decision from whatever information they have.

You cannot call the insurer unless your mother has specifically given them permission to deal with you. To do so would go against the Data Protection Act.

You need to get her to call them and give them permission to deal with you if that is what she wants. You can then talk to them, but I'd do it much more calmly than you have come over in this thread or you will get nowhere with them.

If you think they have under valued it, you will need to be able to validate this. Examples currently for sale is one method. You need to present to them this evidence if request with your valuation of the car. You can also request that they take into consideration you keeping the car within that price. They may or may not allow this. If it is deemed a Cat A or B write off, then legally they cannot offer this to you and it must be taken away and crushed. A classic Mini with rear end damage to the chassis could well fall into this category.

Hopefully that puts things into perspective. They are trying to do the right thing by what the vast majority of people would want.
 

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Well so much for being calm and polite, basically they have said my Mum agreed to the offer and that's the end of it. My Mum did not agree to the offer ,in fact only asked for a claim form to be sent after explaining what happened. It seems that the money sent is (market value!!). I told the bloke that £1500 would not buy a 1998 Classic Mini with 57000 on the clock and offered to send him links from E-bay and Autotrader showing the price of a car with similar specs, again he wasn't interested. I asked for salvage rights which has been refused. I asked for my Mums Insurance money back as she paid for the full year in December and has only used 2 months of it. (she normally pays monthly) I was told it was a 12 month contract and the money was none refundable as the accident was deemed to be her fault so £365 pounds has also been lost!!. I then said we wanted an engineer to inspect the car and was told this would not happen unless my Mother returned the cheque and we waited for at least 2 weeks for the processing of the returned cheque and an engineer to be selected. ( this is S***!!). If we go through this joke process it will be into March which would waste another months road tax refund!!!. I decided to speak my mind and told the upstart that Age concern should change their name to Age not bothered!!!. What do you think.? My Mum just wants this over now and I think she is prepared to take the hit financially. We now have to contact the salvage company when we are ready to have the car scrapped!!. I am well p**ssed Off!!
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Insurance money won't be returned, and even if you had been paying monthly they would have had the right to retain the outstanding money from the offer. Usually they don't they would just leave the payments as they stand. This will all be in the T&C's and is standard. Otherwise people could take out a policy, pay a month and then have the car stolen getting a payout for 1 months cover when the insurer has spread the risk over a year.

The policy though does remain valid and should another like for like car be purchased they will have to cover it (may charge a small administration fee).

I would write a letter rejecting the offer and asking for the value you believe to be fair. Return the cheque as part of this letter. State in the letter that unless this is resolved you will be seeking guidance from the insurance ombudsman. Its not a quick process though http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/consumer/complaints.htm
 

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Agreed. Mine took over a year to sort out. I got my desired value in the end.

Also put a note in the car on the dashboard that this car is not to be removed as the insurance claim is in dispute. Take a photo of the car with this notice on the dashboard as proof too (just incase someone tries to turn up and collect it!).

Make sure you send the rejection letter by recorded delivery and keep written records of all communications (even if they are just notes of phone conversations).
 

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Thanks Stu, I will let my Mum know this evening. I think she will not want to drag this out, we'll see. Your assessment of this matter has been pretty spot on , just a shame I don't like what I'm hearing. Thanks again.
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Agreed. Mine took over a year to sort out. I got my desired value in the end.

Also put a note in the car on the dashboard that this car is not to be removed as the insurance claim is in dispute. Take a photo of the car with this notice on the dashboard as proof too (just incase someone tries to turn up and collect it!).

Make sure you send the rejection letter by recorded delivery and keep written records of all communications (even if they are just notes of phone conversations).
Good call Fella. Thanks
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I'll have to let E_T_V take you through the ombudsman process if you go that route as I have never been down it and wouldn't want to advise incorrectly.
 

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Thanks for all your input. My Mum has decided to take the financial hit and except the offer.( not the way our family usually rolls!!). She is nearly 81 so I suppose you can see why. The next step is to contact the salvage company that has already been chosen by the insurance company and arrange a pickup time and date, the thing is I don't want to give them too much stuff. I have already swapped the alternator for an old one as I fitted a brand new one in December, took out the spare wheel and swapped the battery (which is also new) for an older one and took off the boot seal which was new as well. My question is if the car is scrap and it will be crushed, can I take out the interior as its excellent or does the car have to be complete?. They are already getting a fantastic engine and box (57000) plus the ECU and two sets of keys and fobs. If I had my way I would also take off the alloys as the front have two brand new tyres on and leave the car on it's arse!!. What do you think?
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ETV, you say not legal, but will there be any come back on my Mum?. Maybe if I speak to the salvage company and ask what they want, and don't they have to fill in the V5C to say it has been scrapped?
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Removing the odd part as you have so far will probably go unnoticed.

Removing the interior is likely to cause issues. At the end of the day it will either be a salvage company that have bought it directly from the insurer (so they have paid money for it to be complete) or it will be salvaged to be sold at auction.

I wouldn't be removing the interior without the salvage companies or insurers permission. If salvage, they will no doubt want some recompense for it.
 

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pick up some old scrap wheels and change them as long as what good stuff you take off you replace with something And #I do not think you have to give them all the keys and fobs either They will be picking up a scrap car Do not forget to ask for the certificate that is required when a car is scrapped Tax disc in post to DVLA etc
 
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