You would have more success with supercharging/nitro but it isn't easy to turbo it.
Turbo'ing MG TF160
I recently puchased a 2004 TF160. As Gauteng (South Africa) is at high altitude, the power loss is significant. A friend at the office has got the new Mini Cooper S (turbo, not compressor) and has whipped the MG's behind a few times already which is expected.
I purchased the car as a project car, as I plan to transplant a Ford Focus ST170 engine and gearbox into the car after fitting a turbo to it, but that is going to take some time.
In the mean while, I would like to teach the Cooper a lesson (just for fun), and in order to do this I want to do a very low pressure turbo conversion on the TF's standard engine - typically .3 bar boost. I have got a Garrett T25 turbo lying around and the piping will be pretty crude and simple as it will not be built to last forever.
Has anyone done this before and if so, please advise of pitfalls etc.
I purchased the car as a project car, as I plan to transplant a Ford Focus ST170 engine and gearbox into the car after fitting a turbo to it, but that is going to take some time.
In the mean while, I would like to teach the Cooper a lesson (just for fun), and in order to do this I want to do a very low pressure turbo conversion on the TF's standard engine - typically .3 bar boost. I have got a Garrett T25 turbo lying around and the piping will be pretty crude and simple as it will not be built to last forever.
Has anyone done this before and if so, please advise of pitfalls etc.
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My biggest challenge is to get the water feed for the turbo cooling and the oill feed to the turbo and return to the sump sorted out - I do not want to damage / destroy the engine / piping / sump as it is now, as I plan to remove it and put it on an engine stand to replace one day some day when I do not want to run the Focus motor any longer.
.. and the cooling fans to expel the heat generated from the turbo? :err:And the intercooler??
Not too worried about intercooler at .3 bar boost - this will be the maximum boost I will be running.
Fan to expel heat is critical, and I would have to do this for the other setup anyway, so I plan to do this properly as part of this setup. I plan to use AC cooler for intercooling the charge as the FMIC option is obviously not a solution, but that will only happen for the Zetec motor.
By the way, suggestions how to expel the air fastest / most efficiently welcome.
Fan to expel heat is critical, and I would have to do this for the other setup anyway, so I plan to do this properly as part of this setup. I plan to use AC cooler for intercooling the charge as the FMIC option is obviously not a solution, but that will only happen for the Zetec motor.
By the way, suggestions how to expel the air fastest / most efficiently welcome.
You could check out how Goldenwheels expels hot air:Not too worried about intercooler at .3 bar boost - this will be the maximum boost I will be running.
Fan to expel heat is critical, and I would have to do this for the other setup anyway, so I plan to do this properly as part of this setup. I plan to use AC cooler for intercooling the charge as the FMIC option is obviously not a solution, but that will only happen for the Zetec motor.
By the way, suggestions how to expel the air fastest / most efficiently welcome.
http://www.goldenwheels.com
He ran fans directly above the engine bay pushing air out where the grill is...
There is a thread on here somewhere where we discuss fitting these fans, started by Green_1997 but I can't be arsed to find it...
Good plan Matt. :broon:
Also, heavily discussed in this thread to quite some detail.
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=202122&highlight=random+idea
Also, heavily discussed in this thread to quite some detail.
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=202122&highlight=random+idea
Yeah, that's the thread...Good plan Matt. :broon:
Also, heavily discussed in this thread to quite some detail.
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=202122&highlight=random+idea
You could check out how Goldenwheels expels hot air:
http://www.goldenwheels.com
He ran fans directly above the engine bay pushing air out where the grill is...
There is a thread on here somewhere where we discuss fitting these fans, started by Green_1997 but I can't be arsed to find it...
T'is www.goldenwheels.co.uk - .com gives you a dodgy holiday search engine with a family pic on it so cheesy, it'd do well on the front of a babybel lol
Could be worse. I was looking for a Gold Shower for my bathroom on the internet. jeeeees. :O :lol:T'is www.goldenwheels.co.uk - .com gives you a dodgy holiday search engine with a family pic on it so cheesy, it'd do well on the front of a babybel lol
I would love for someone to find a cheep and cheerful way of turboing or supercharging the TF160, because at the moment I am looking at a bill of about £7k if I want to go this route and that isn't much less than I paid for the car.
Wasn't someone looking at fitting a Mini supercharger?
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=200725&highlight=mini+supercharger this is the thread I was thinking of..
Hi xr3tf I'm actually also in Gauteng I don't know of anybody who has turbo'd a TF there have been a couple of supercharged TF's (costing +-R78000) but the generate consensus is that the heat of the turbo would be a problem. Also anything over 180 bhp needs stronger pistons installed. I do think that a low pressure turbo would sort the performance at altitude and it shouldn't stress the block too much, its just the heat issue that needs to be overcome. This could be a vary interesting experiment I would consider a low pressure turbo if it proved to be doable.
Thanks for all the info to all - will print & investigate.
I am a bit concerned about the fueling, as the standard setup (mapping?) will only be able to keep the AF Ratio within limits if the boost remains close to normal atmosheric pressure at the coast. I will be doing data logging of boost, RPM and AF ratio (wideband AF ratio sensor), so it won't be "by the seat of my pants" only.
Is there a thread dealing with tricking the ECU into supplying some more fuel within the limitations of the standard injectors and not going into limp mode?
I am a bit concerned about the fueling, as the standard setup (mapping?) will only be able to keep the AF Ratio within limits if the boost remains close to normal atmosheric pressure at the coast. I will be doing data logging of boost, RPM and AF ratio (wideband AF ratio sensor), so it won't be "by the seat of my pants" only.
Is there a thread dealing with tricking the ECU into supplying some more fuel within the limitations of the standard injectors and not going into limp mode?
Checked the mechanical "fan" referred to in one of the replies - has it ever been tested / used by someone in a TF. 20HP gain will "probably" make me achieve the goal - I know that the .3 bar turbo setup will definitely do it, but always good to look at options
One last thing - we are sure that the air comes OUT the vents in the boot and it does not go IN via those vents and go out at the bottom of the engine bay? It is most probably correct as the air speed at the bootlit is faster hence lower pressure than that underneath the car...
One last thing - we are sure that the air comes OUT the vents in the boot and it does not go IN via those vents and go out at the bottom of the engine bay? It is most probably correct as the air speed at the bootlit is faster hence lower pressure than that underneath the car...
i think the idea is that air is scooped in via the sides (and in goldenwheels case the roof) and then blown out of the grill.
normally the fuel is controlled by an aftermarket piggy back as the MEMS (ECU) in the TF is not very programmable. but if the turbo is low pressure possibly an uprated fuel pump would suffice (this i am NOT sure about though).
Actually MEMS3 is very programmable. you can get the map completely changed. I believe KrisFX has had this done.normally the fuel is controlled by an aftermarket piggy back as the MEMS (ECU) in the TF is not very programmable. but if the turbo is low pressure possibly an uprated fuel pump would suffice (this i am NOT sure about though).
However the easiest solution would be an Emerald ECU. This can control VVC and be programmed with a laptop.
Mems3 is reasonably mappable, wouldn't call it very though.
IIRC I could never find any ability in it to register boost pressure though. Although I can't recall looking that hard :lol:
IIRC I could never find any ability in it to register boost pressure though. Although I can't recall looking that hard :lol:
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