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I love my Rover 75 cdti for it's serene cruising ability but i'm now at a stage when I wan't something with balls (acceleration) and handling. Even with RonBox and other mods the 75 won't pull 0 to 60 in under 10 seconds which is slow by today's standards. And I no longer need a diesel as my job requires much less miles of me now. So I'm thinking of a Jag 3.0, either S type or X type. X type is attractive for it's 4 wheel drive of course. S type for it's (presumably) quietness.

Anyone got any experience of either?

Jeremy
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Been in the Jaguar X-Type 3.0 and it's not a patch on the 2.5KV6 in the MGR cars, as to what you're after I'd suggest looking at an MG ZT180 auto as this will handle well and very easily do 0-60 in under 10 seconds and is quicker than the 3.0 X-Type (I'm under assumption as my car with the same engine is quicker than the X-Type I drove), or if you're ok having a manual, a ZT190.

The S-Type is very nice, I'm afraid I don't know what they are like to drive, I would imagine very comfortable, would be a good choice but I have to say going to an X-Type will feel like a step down from the 75 as regards comfort and quality.
Thanks. Figures on paper for the 3.0 litre Jags are both around 7.5 seconds. I think a V6 Rover or MG is 9.5 (again paper figures)
Thanks. Figures on paper for the 3.0 litre Jags are both around 7.5 seconds. I think a V6 Rover or MG is 9.5 (again paper figures)
I take it back, looking at wrong figures - MG 2.5 V6 also says 7.5 seconds so you're right it's as quick as a Jag - but i'm very wary of those ol' head gaskets on the petrol versions.
Sounds about right for the Jag but I know 9.5 is way slow, my 2.5 will get to 60 in just over 8 seconds. But as you say they are paper figures usually different to real life. Head gaskets are not a problem on the V6, it's extremely rare for one to go, it's only really the 1.8 that is afflicted with that problem.
What to get next : I went through an evening of what to get next and pondered about an S type Jag, they do look nice, But by all accounts particulaly the older ones suffer from all manner of ills (an older one is what I would be looking at) - Apparently the casing on the bores wear and the engine can explode, Auto gear boxes have a habit of disintergrating at about 60K, electrics suffer all manner of ills, alarms not working and dampness getting into places it shouldnt - makes Rover look good and parts are hugely expensive particulaly if you go near a Jag dealer.

Newer ones are considered better but are considerably more expensive.
Frankly, given the choice I'd have the Jag. That's if money was no object.

BUT, being on somewhat of a budget myself, my 180 gives me similar performance and presence but for a fraction of the price...

Good luck whichever you choose!
One of these, in black. Excellent cars.

Gimme gimme gimme! I want it!
Gimme gimme gimme! I want it!
+1!

When they were first out, I wasn't too bothered about them. But, they've grown on me massively. It's really standing up to time in my opinion. I'll be having one of those for sure, at some point in the future.
has to be black though! Black wheels too..

Not bad for a tarted up Mondeo!
Jag for me when Little George gives up. Hoping that its a long long time though I'm infatuated with my 75 at the moment.
Must admit they both look classy cars. I prefer the interior of the 75 but the jag has, dare I say it, that certain. I'm a jag just take a look at me, air about it.
has to be black though! Black wheels too..

Not bad for a tarted up Mondeo!
I like to tell myself the Mondeo is a tarted down Jag....
To be honest, if you're going to make an upmarket car using another car as the base, you couldn't do much better than starting with a Mondeo... in recent years they have been excellent cars.
Hi had a 3.0 S.E Jaguar s type, best car so far and the power was great, 240bhp from a V6 and the drive was better that every car ive had!
I agree with the post about using a Mondeo platform for the X type. The Mondeo lacks "badge" appeal, but it is a very good motor car.
I had a V6 3.0l Auto S type jag, and if I could afford another , newer one, I wouldn't hesitate.
Acceleration and handling, with traction control was superb. Without traction control engaged, it was huge fun.
Comfort and equipment as good as most, if not better.
Running costs astronomically high, as you would expect from the big cat.
People (Clarkson?) said the S type had strange looks, but like the 75, it's an aquired taste, and if you have a look at Clarkson , taste is obviously not his forte.
When pushed, on kick down, I was getting as little as 7-12 MPG, but with sensible driving, I could get around 20 MPG in town, and 27 or so at a steady 70.
The S type is a very different beast to the X type, and still has a more (gentlemans car) image when compared to the more sporty X type, but make no mistake, the "gentlemans car" can shift when asked, and the first of the 3 litre models can be picked up for a couple of grand.
My next motor will probably be an X type, but thats for financial reasons.
I should add (edit) that it could well be possible to get better MPG with a lighter right foot. Also, I sold the S type on, with 73,000 miles on the clock and NO mechanical problems. During my ownership, I had the AC pipes and a hose replaced under warranty, but I dread to think what it would have cost if I had been paying. One bad point, the earlier models had a tendency to rust on the door finishers. (usually matt black ,removeable plates between front and rear doors.
Good points? everything else, especially the electric memory steering reach/rake column which moved inwards and upwards to allow ease of getting out of the car when you switched the ignition off, and reverted to memory position when you got back in again. Class or what.
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To be honest, if you're going to make an upmarket car using another car as the base, you couldn't do much better than starting with a Mondeo... in recent years they have been excellent cars.
Indeed it really is a well sorted car!
I agree with the post about using a Mondeo platform for the X type. The Mondeo lacks "badge" appeal, but it is a very good motor car.
I had a V6 3.0l Auto S type jag, and if I could afford another , newer one, I wouldn't hesitate.
Acceleration and handling, with traction control was superb. Without traction control engaged, it was huge fun.
Comfort and equipment as good as most, if not better.
Running costs astronomically high, as you would expect from the big cat.
People (Clarkson?) said the S type had strange looks, but like the 75, it's an aquired taste, and if you have a look at Clarkson , taste is obviously not his forte.
When pushed, on kick down, I was getting as little as 7-12 MPG, but with sensible driving, I could get around 20 MPG in town, and 27 or so at a steady 70.
The S type is a very different beast to the X type, and still has a more (gentlemans car) image when compared to the more sporty X type, but make no mistake, the "gentlemans car" can shift when asked, and the first of the 3 litre models can be picked up for a couple of grand.
My next motor will probably be an X type, but thats for financial reasons.
That all sounds wonderful - except for the mpg!!!!!!!! - i was hoping for around 25mpg average on mixed driving. Optomistic??
Apparently the casing on the bores wear and the engine can explode, Auto gear boxes have a habit of disintergrating at about 60K,
Ah that's frightening too - i'd forgotten it's a Ford gearbox and Mondeo auto boxes also have a habit of crapping out at 60K so i've read and heard in several different places.

Very highly reputed auto box repair shop near here told me "never buy a Ford auto you'll have endless problems. But vauxhall auto boxes are very reliable"

The Rover/BMW box on the other hand is a delight and trouble free. What a shame this car is so damn slow.
X type diesels (mondeo) suffer from starter motor failures due to disintergrating dual mass flywheels and injectors give in around 60k
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