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These two cars are often compared for obvious reason, looks, heritage etc.

I had a Rover 75 for 4 years then an S Type for 18 months and now returned to another R75 so I thought it may be of interest to members, so here's my comparison.

first the specs - Both my previous R75 and the new one are cdti auto. My first one was a saloon and I had a ronbox synergy2, plus EGR bypass and air intake mod. I had 2 Jags, both 2.7d twin turbo auto, no modifications.

comparison - the two cars have lots of similarities, both aimed at comfort and long distance cruising and both have retro looks. So what are the differences?

Well the Jag feels like a heavier car. it's actually about 10% heavier but despite 6 auto gears and the twin turbo (a small one and a big one!) the gearing is higher, so around town it's not as nippy as the Rover even without the ronbox. But once at speed the Jag certainly has more effortless power.

The Jag is incredibly quiet. The Rover isn't loud but i notice I have to adjust the radio volume according to speed but in the Jag it's as quiet at 8 0as it is at 20mph, you don't hear the engine even starting in the winter, and if you do hear the engine it's a lovely v6 burble, very smooth. There's also less road and wind noise.

The Jag also has a brilliant ride (based on Ford chassis) which is smooth and soft but at the same time feels solid and planted - a very neat trick.

The Rover is a very good wafty long distance cross country car but the Jag is sublime, an incredibly relaxing long distance car, best i've ever driven.

So why am I changing back to a Rover? Well the main reason is the Jag sports seats don't agree with my bad back whereas the Rover seats are wonderfully comfortable. But another big reason is cost of maintenance. Everything on the Jag is highly expensive. To get behind the dash you have to remove the entire dash which is huge. To get to anything in the engine you have to take all the top ancilliaries apart which is labour intensive. Most local garages i took it too didn't even want the work so i ended up having to take it to the nearest Jag specialist an hour away in Peterborough (Nene Jags, actually very good by the way).

To give you an example, as we all know, changing the EGR valve on a Rover diesel is a 45 minute DIY job and the part is about £40 on ebay. When the EGRs failed on the Jag it took a trip to Peterborough and cost £700 (Locall garages quoted £900). And both Jags were money pits in terms of things needing attention.

So I'm really sad to be saying goodbye to the Jaguar but the Rover is an excellent alternative.

Jeremy
 

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My wife has an S-type V6 3litre, manual and a Rover 1.8T Auto.

The Jaguar is clearly the better made car except for the interior, but my wife also prefers the 1.8T. It is nippier in town, and being an automatic easier to live with in traffic.
The maintenance by the agents of the Jaguar is ridiculously expensive and based on "if the owner can afford it, throw the part out!"

I guess the Rover would have been the same, had they still been in business. But in most cases you do the job yourself or farm it out, I guess, to non franchised outlets. They know that if they don't do it, someone else will, which has a marked effect on costs, I suspect.!

I think both are marvelous cars.
 

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I to have a S type which is a 3.0 V6 auto which I fitted lpg too, its done 213k on the same engine and box it left the factory with and its a great car!
On lpg both the jag and my ZT both do 23mpg.
Then I have some spare cash I will be buying another S type to replace my ZT as it just costs too much money/time to keep it on the road.
 

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Im so glad you have made this comparison here.
I have a 1.8 connie which I do like very much in terms of ride economy and looks.
I have often glanced at the s-type and thought of changing.
However with everyone on a budget including myself I think the rover has to stay.

My only complaint with this weather is the black leather seats which are 'burny hot' as described by my 9 year old daughter.
 

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Leather is not a good choice of material in hot climates. The UK is gradually becoming a hot climate!

I know X-Type is based on the Ford Mondeo. I thought S-Type was different, and a direct decedent of the current XJ?

I would prefer a V6 Diesel (not available in R75/ZT) but in most other respects I prefer a R75. When compared to an R75, the Jaguar X-Type takes twice as long to stop - that doesn't suit my driving patterns.
 

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It seems a far cry from cold mornings 4 months ago when I was praising the merits of electric heated seats !

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Best thing about the S Type?

The V8 is almost as cheap as the V6, whereas the 75/ZT 260's are hella expensive.

A decent condition 4.2 S Type would be nice, something I keep eying up on autotader etc...
 

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I've often looked at the S-type and fancied one but have always settled on the 75. The main reason being that whilst the front-end is absolutely right given the heritage, the rear-end doesn't really work for me. It just looks out of place given the beautiful front and sides.

Having said that, I could still find myself owning a V6 Diesel Auto one day.

A practical car that is a very good parallel to the 75 is an Omega in V6 form - it is an absolute pleasure to drive. Has tons of room and a charm of it's own for it's lack of beauty. Like the 75's, grossly under-rated.

I have driven from Suffolk to Dundee on one day, with the drive back early the follwoing morning, only stopping for petrol in both directions, and done so in total comfort. Also, Suffolk to Alness in the Highlands and back.
 

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Im so glad you have made this comparison here.
I have a 1.8 connie which I do like very much in terms of ride economy and looks.
I have often glanced at the s-type and thought of changing.
However with everyone on a budget including myself I think the rover has to stay.

My only complaint with this weather is the black leather seats which are 'burny hot' as described by my 9 year old daughter.
Got my S type last April for £1000 and its the late 2002 model with the better ZF 6 speed auto box, new front suspension layout and new dash. Fitted lpg for £100, new Rad and heater valve and I've done 15k without any problems unlike my ZT!
Best bit on my Jag is the touch screen sat nav with full voice control, I can call someone on my phone, lower the temp of the climate control, change cds and enter postcodes in the sat nav without my hands leaving the steering wheel! And I understand it was a £3000+ extra then new!
 

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Yeah I had an Omega for a while too, really lovely car, similar to the Jag in many ways, quiet, excellent handling, great solid feel on the road. But again the seats didn't suit my back and I had to part with it. I did find the 2.5 v6 a bit sluggish though - one of the reasons I choose diesels now is the torque at town speeds and under 2000revs.

The s type is a lovely car to drive - again having tested a 4.2v8 and a 2.7diesel I'd choose the diesel every time, the torgue is greater, the acceleration is similar and the economy far better. And you'd be hard pressed to tell it's a diesel from the noise.

but i can't stress enough the cost of maintenance on the s type. Whatever niggle or problem I took to any garage (and there were several, it seems ten year old jags have lots of niggles) they all said in so many words that they really didn't want the work - 3 different dealers said that - it's just too complicated for them. even an air conditioning fault means taking out the entire dash which is one unit from side to side from windscreen to floor.
 

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Incidentally, I learned to drive in a Vauxhall Omega V6 saloon. I rate them.

I somehow don't believe that!
Sure you don't remember wrongly?
I drove an X-Type from a Jaguar dealer (straight out of my R75) and approached a round-about in my normal way... I won't forget my brain screaming "****, brakes!!!" I don't know if the braking is empirically double the distance, but driving one sure does feel like it is.

UK TV review also found that the R75 stops much quicker than a Mondeo-sports or upgraded Vectra (all three examples were new models that year). As the X-Type is a Mondeo, my experience correlates with the TV review on that particular test.

R75 has by far the lowest insurance in its class. I'm sure that's a very complicated statistic, but good brakes might contribute to its good record.
 

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Oh yeah insurance (b**tards)

i rang my insurers swiftcover and said i'd changed car from jag to rover. they confirmed my current insurance was £432 for the year, with 3 months still to go and to change the insurance to the rover would cost and EXTRA £37.

Naturally I said no thanks, went to money supermarket and found several quotes for £280
 
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Really the s type should be better , it was a much more expensive car new, I don't like the styling of it so wouldn't have one myself though

The x type ... Drove one for a few miles, that was enough, won't be having one o them, ever
 

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Oh yeah insurance (b**tards)

i rang my insurers swiftcover and said i'd changed car from jag to rover. they confirmed my current insurance was £432 for the year, with 3 months still to go and to change the insurance to the rover would cost and EXTRA £37.

Naturally I said no thanks, went to money supermarket and found several quotes for £280
My ZT costs more to insurance that my Jag does.
 

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These two cars are often compared for obvious reason, looks, heritage etc.

I had a Rover 75 for 4 years then an S Type for 18 months and now returned to another R75 so I thought it may be of interest to members, so here's my comparison.

first the specs - Both my previous R75 and the new one are cdti auto. My first one was a saloon and I had a ronbox synergy2, plus EGR bypass and air intake mod. I had 2 Jags, both 2.7d twin turbo auto, no modifications.

comparison - the two cars have lots of similarities, both aimed at comfort and long distance cruising and both have retro looks. So what are the differences?

Well the Jag feels like a heavier car. it's actually about 10% heavier but despite 6 auto gears and the twin turbo (a small one and a big one!) the gearing is higher, so around town it's not as nippy as the Rover even without the ronbox. But once at speed the Jag certainly has more effortless power.

The Jag is incredibly quiet. The Rover isn't loud but i notice I have to adjust the radio volume according to speed but in the Jag it's as quiet at 8 0as it is at 20mph, you don't hear the engine even starting in the winter, and if you do hear the engine it's a lovely v6 burble, very smooth. There's also less road and wind noise.

The Jag also has a brilliant ride (based on Ford chassis) which is smooth and soft but at the same time feels solid and planted - a very neat trick.

The Rover is a very good wafty long distance cross country car but the Jag is sublime, an incredibly relaxing long distance car, best i've ever driven.

So why am I changing back to a Rover? Well the main reason is the Jag sports seats don't agree with my bad back whereas the Rover seats are wonderfully comfortable. But another big reason is cost of maintenance. Everything on the Jag is highly expensive. To get behind the dash you have to remove the entire dash which is huge. To get to anything in the engine you have to take all the top ancilliaries apart which is labour intensive. Most local garages i took it too didn't even want the work so i ended up having to take it to the nearest Jag specialist an hour away in Peterborough (Nene Jags, actually very good by the way).

To give you an example, as we all know, changing the EGR valve on a Rover diesel is a 45 minute DIY job and the part is about £40 on ebay. When the EGRs failed on the Jag it took a trip to Peterborough and cost £700 (Locall garages quoted £900). And both Jags were money pits in terms of things needing attention.

So I'm really sad to be saying goodbye to the Jaguar but the Rover is an excellent alternative.

Jeremy
I'm fortunate enough to have a rover 75 tourer and an s type sport. I would say the Jag is the better car, quieter and faster but comparing a 3 litre petrol against a 2 litre diesel is a bit unfair. Garage costs don't bother me too much as my son's a mechanic. Parts are expensive if you go to Jaguar but there are several parts available on e bay - I picked up a genuine Jaguar flywheel, clutch plate and pressure plate still in original packing for a fraction of the dealers price. The S type uses the same floor pan as a Lincoln whereas the X type uses a Mondeo. S type is rear wheel drive, X type is front wheel drive. They may both be Jaguars but they are totally different cars. Where the Rover scores over the S type is in the snow. Rear wheel drive and wide tyres just can't find the grip.Dave
 

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this kind of post will mainly cause a 50/50 split. Having owned a 55 plate Jaguar x-type, s-type sport and 3 75's, after this 75, i would own neither. The only reason i have this 75 at present is because i've slipped a disc in my back and the 75 is very comfortable for me at the moment. Next year is the turn of mitsubishi in our house in the form of an L200 Barbarian. This is because we are buying a caravan next year and i wanted a decent towing vehicle with all the benefits of a 4x4 without the astronomical tax costs (£210 per year for the L200).

If all 3 cars were placed in front of me, same spec, same toys etc and i could choose one (if i had to) it would be the x-type, purely because it looks better than the 75 and s-type.
 

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I personally really dislike the X-Type, it just screams Mondeo all over it. :(

I had a go in a 2.0D X-Type and really disliked it, I much preferred a Mk2 75 CDTi I drove before - yes the X-Type felt some what better put together, but it was just a boring dull to drive car - it certainly shouldn't bare the Jaguar badge in my opinion. Give me an XF or XJ any day of the week. ;)
 
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