Leapfrogged, pfft. We'll not mention the torque then. :bgrin2:

I'll not even mention the look on your face as they bounced it off the limiter.

Good to meet you mate, glad you're happy with it, and glad we eventually found some Nos for ya.

Don't go telling everyone about this or they'll all have fast TF160s.

 

Leapfrogged, pfft. We'll not mention the torque then. :bgrin2:

I'll not even mention the look on your face as they bounced it off the limiter.

Good to meet you mate, glad you're happy with it, and glad we eventually found some Nos for ya.

Don't go telling everyone about this or they'll all have fast TF160s.

lmao :lol:

More than happy with it mate, now i'm home of that motorway and away from the traffic i went out for a proper drive on normal roads and it's absolutley fantastic tbh and that nos kick is just summat else lol


it was really cool to meet you too mate, nice of you to hang around all day too m8 and keep me company deffinately didn't think you looked like ya do though lmao....i was expecting that robot in your avatar so nice though to put a face to the name now and good to hear 1st hand sll your plans rather than keep reading them

 

Take it thisd would not work with 120 MPI

 

i'm pretty sure they could do something with it, prob take a bit longer though as they would need to convert the read only file i think.....not 100% what the process is tbh on these cars

 

22bhp increase, wow!!! apart form nos was the car standard before remap, how much did it cost you?

 

the car has a 4-2-1 manifold and janspeed backbox and ind kit.

tbh it's got me thinking actually that both myself and CJJ have the 4-2-1 manifold yet romeo is standard right through apart from the filter yet me and cjj where both way down on bhp so it seems.

this has me thinkin perhaps the 4-2-1 manifold isn't all it's cracked up to be?? the problem is ya cant really do a before and after with the maifold unless you fancy spending all day tryin to get the thing on/off the car as it's not the easiest thing to fit......tbh i'd remove the 4-2-1 if it proves to decrease power......maybe CJJ will be the mug, i mean person to take it back off and try again

 

See, we are getting caught up in the pub figures again. I prefer my 8bhp lead in the mid range, not in the peak power.

Even if it gained me 5bhp pub bhp I wouldn't do it because I think I would lose the mid range gain. Anyway, it sounds nice.

I don't think it is to do with the manifold as my original RR came in at 151.1 bhp and that was without the manifold.

I think that MyRomeo was just lucky to get a good engine in the first place, we will never know because he didn't do a before RR.

One thing that seems apparent is that these engines were thrown together in such a way that there can be 10bhp difference on standard engines. The remap seems to bring them back to a level playing field.

 

See, we are getting caught up in the pub figures again. I prefer my 8bhp lead in the mid range, not in the peak power.

Even if it gained me 5bhp pub bhp I wouldn't do it because I think I would lose the mid range gain. Anyway, it sounds nice.

I don't think it is to do with the manifold as my original RR came in at 151.1 bhp and that was without the manifold.

I think that MyRomeo was just lucky to get a good engine in the first place, we will never know because he didn't do a before RR.

One thing that seems apparent is that these engines were thrown together in such a way that there can be 10bhp difference on standard engines. The remap seems to bring them back to a level playing field.

hmmmm, yeah prob right was just a thought

ya not kidding about being thrown together, what the hell was that map of mine all about being totally different and confusing for them lol ? its like they just threw any map on any car and if it ran cool. to think a remap can bring them all in line is wierd, so maybe not so much 1 has a good engine but just has/had a better map

 

Ah, you mean the pleasure of our company.

 

lmao, summat like that although i got dogged for most of the day for squirming everytime i heard my car banging on that limiter lol...

which reminds me about the rev limit.

all our 3 160's redline @ 7200 on the counter yet the rr picks it up at redline somehwere between 6500-6800rpm so now he's changed them all to actual 7200 red line it now goes over the actual redline on the car.....looks like they don't match the dials and they lied about the rev limit

 

I'm not jealous in the slightest.....

:***: :ziplip: :indiff: :cus:


In terms of your original rr figures, I just looked back at the figs from the rr day last year and the 160s ranged from 142 upto 152, but the Trophys were more even at 159 and 162.

I have no idea what relevance this is to your figures, but thought I'd post it anyway :lol:

 

I'm not jealous in the slightest.....

:***: :ziplip: :indiff: :cus:


In terms of your original rr figures, I just looked back at the figs from the rr day last year and the 160s ranged from 142 upto 152, but the Trophys were more even at 159 and 162.

I have no idea what relevance this is to your figures, but thought I'd post it anyway :lol:

Cheers Jan, tbh i was well naffed when i 1st saw the original figure of 153.6 and it had me worried a tad especially when they started telling me it was a very wierd map i had on but once i got the new figures which put me up with the others i was more than chuffed and relieved lol. So i dont really care now what it was giving

and i still have a few tweeks to do this weekend if i get time, more so on my air filter cos i'm convinced i bogged the car down a little, only problem is i won't know cos it won't be having a RR before & after.

 

I just wish I had MEMS3 so I could turn my 154bhp into 180 and once again kick TF160 backside! :flipa:

:lol:

Good results mate, get a progressive controller and break into the 200+ club

 

Finding this all really interesting, thanks guys for sharing this info.

I'm guessing that most of the gains are mapping the car to use 95RON rather than the manufacturers tolerance for lower octane fuels? So the ignition becomes more advanced over the map?

If so, how does their mapping computer know how much it can safely advance the ignition? I think I need to go and do some reading...

Really really interested if someone can get a 135 re-mapped!

 

interesting! but where are they getting this all done and are there any place's down south that can do it?

 

This is the place it was done http://www.vsportonline.co.uk/

not a very up to date web site unfortunatley.

there are places all over the place that can do re-maps and RR, the question is can they re-map these cars? I don't wanna go into details of who or when but last year someone had a re-map and got very little gain from it (if any at all), and i don't know of anyone else who's had it done successfully, until last week when CJJ and Romeo had theirs done @ the above place.

 

so do you feel any difference in driving then Baracus ?, without NOS

 

This is all very exciting, gaining much more than has been seen from re-mapping in the past. I do hope its accurate and these guys haven't got a nobble button on their RR. Don't suppose anyone has been to a separate RR.

 

The only complaint I heard about the place was from the bloke who topped up baracus Nos, and the funny thing was he reckoned that it under read. He said that their had been a RR shout out with some Scoobys and some people weren't happy as the results weren't as high as they thought they would be. That is the nature of tuning though, and is probably just a bunch of chavs who have bigged there cars up in the pub, just to find they aren't making 350 bhp using a £20 ebay air filter.

According to Dave it is very difficult to knobble these machines, as they flag up fault codes if you try to adjust the temperature etc to give a false reading.

The rolling roads that they use (Dyno Dynamics) are respected around the world and are the only ones used by some clubs for RR shootouts.

I take comfort in the fact that it can't really be reading high, due to initial low (or standard according to Jans figures) RR figures, and can't reading low due to the final figures of 175 ish.

 

I'm sure you're right CJJ. I'm a cynical old sod

 

I have had my bikes on a few different dyno's over there years and the operator's always say it under reads and never over reads!

But the only test at the end of the day is what it feels like to drive

 

This is a very impressive result Baracus. Those guys seem to do the magic when it comes to remapping the Tf. I wish it was possible for me to have mine remapped by them.

I have been to a rr myself a few weeks ago and with a VVC F, phoenix mk2 exhaust, decat, 421 ss manifold, 52mm tb, taipan air filter, magnecor leads, i got 158.7 bhp. Something in th region of 170-175 would be gr8.

I was also thinking if you have the ecu remapped say with all the mods above plus a ported head and a vvc cam, it looks very likely to hit 190 bhp.

 

Damn my lower version of MEMS :lol: I need to find me a better job and get an emerald :idea:

Sweet results there Baracus :broon: To hit over 200bhp just sounds unreal in such a small car :hyper:

 

hey mate really glad your happy with the results, i.ll drop dave a link to this thread too, he does like good feedback!

For you 135 owners, dave would love to have a shot at remapping for you but as he has not done one would need someones car for best part of a day, ideally a stock car too. If anyone in the region is interested i can have a word and see if a special first car deal can be reached. He has done a few 120 zrs and is averaging a 12bhp gain.

Sorry i didn't hang around to see your nitrous run, would have been good to see but i had to dash away, rach was rather bored to lol.

Good to meet you tho and i pulled 176.7, so ya0.8 off lol. Not bad at all eh! Seems the 160 responds well to the remap consistently pulling about 175

 

how much do they charge for the 160 re-map, and do you notice the increase whilst driving ??

 

and do you notice the increase whilst driving ??

well i've been in my car quite a bit since yesterday and the drivability of my car is fantastic, far far smoother than it ever was that's for sure and the delivery of power is fantastic and like Romeo has said, I no longer have to feel i need to drop down a gear for any power. Seriously the car now feels like it did before with the nos on although the delivery of power is very different ya can certainly feel the pull now all the way through the rev range and it just doesn't stop pulling With NOS though OMG!!! it's absolutely stunning performance now

Cheers fella. :lol: Shall I put my hand up to it now or later? :err:
The improvement to my driveability was great in all honesty but I have to admit that the figures you chaps are seeing are very very tempting.

lol, i didn't like to say

Ohhhh yes

When we going then :hyper: :bgrin: :hyper:

I can be free tomorrow... :lol:

don't ya just love these cars? :lol:

 

£295 is the current price for the remap which they will for this give before and after rolling road and tweak the map to suite the car and any extra requirements you may have such as concentrating high revs or more torque, can even reduce performance in favor of more economy!

As for driving, notice it a lot yes, for my car it really gives a big kick at 3750 when vvc comes in, it literally pulls you back. I am more than pleased with the result and can't recommend the remap enough. Where before i would have dropped into 4th for motorway overtaking i'm now able to leave in 5th to the same end result. Seem to be getting a few more mpg sinc the remap too, up from 34 to 37 average and 390 miles to the tank. I'm sure cjj and baracus will say similar.

 

Hmm £300 and a 600 mile round trip. I'm very very *very* tempted.

Anyone wanna convoy up there with me?

 

Hmm £300 and a 600 mile round trip. I'm very very *very* tempted.

Anyone wanna convoy up there with me?

They will do it for £275 for 4 cars or more of the same type. The north is calling you.

I'm very interested in this, Despite having some very nasty bills already this year I'm finding it hard to resist! Where the heck is boldon though?

Do we think there are any long term reliability issues with this? detonation and such like?

Boldon is in Sunderland.

Long term issues? Who knows? No reason why there should be though, they are just making the map more suited to your specific car and many cars are remapped every day.

 

I'm very interested in this, Despite having some very nasty bills already this year I'm finding it hard to resist! Where the heck is boldon though?

Do we think there are any long term reliability issues with this? detonation and such like?

 

When they say four cars of the same type, what about different mods though because I guess they will all need slightly different maps?

 

Same maps, different tweaks.

They would have to be 4 x TF160s for example.

 

mmmm I'm very interested! Still having an over revving problem though which I need to get rectified before I do that I guess. Wonder if that could have anything to do with the ECU, or they may be able to see whats causing the problem on the RR?

 

Certainly tempting, except for the distance, insurance and testbook issues.
First can be overcome, second well it's just money (that I haven't got) but the third....? IIRC testbook has an auto feature which some garages use which downloads latest settings for car type, so if you go to Xpart for a service, will it screw the map?

 

Just make sure that the garage knows that it has been remapped and not to touch it. Anyway, Who is coming up with "latest" maps?

 

they cant do work on your car without your permission. there is lots of palces have diagnostics kit that wont upload anything to the car... i for example have the software on my laptop for diagnostics and it does not load anything to the ECU.