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"Companies that seek to sell in Britain should build in Britain," Derek Simpson, the general secretary of Amicus, said
I agree. But wouldn't it be better to focus on the government and the lack of consideration they show to manufacturing? Peugeot left because of relaxed labour laws, and the fact they could make an easy getaway. ;)
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all it will do is upset Peugeot and they will close more plants and more people unemployed , typical of the unions to put more people out of a job ........

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strange that the unions should put up more of a fight to save a french companies transplant than they did a british plant and i'm not only reffering to the last few months of MG's life.
Also strange that the french government can still give a yearly development grant to its car manufacurers and the british were not allowed to step in and save its one and only british owned major plant from closure.

Good luck to the Ryton Lads, but if the worse comes to the worse at least you will get a decent settlement not a poultry 5k.
 

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fudge123 said:
Good luck to the Ryton Lads, but if the worse comes to the worse at least you will get a decent settlement not a poultry 5k.
And your'll be able to see your historical factory turned into money grabbing casino. So that 5k you can gammble away.

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ChrisMG said:
I agree. But wouldn't it be better to focus on the government and the lack of consideration they show to manufacturing? Peugeot left because of relaxed labour laws, and the fact they could make an easy getaway. ;)
I personally think the further the government is from artificially controlling UK PLC, the better.

I also think that governments in the Eurozone should do the same... :eyes:

It's allowing this to happen in the past that has probably lead to us having no car industry at all. Years of unsustainable nationalisation, followed by a merciless period of privatisation by irresponsible governments has mean't that UK companies were abismally uncompetitive, thanks to years of suckling at the taxpayer's teet.

I honestly think BL should have been allowed to go under back in 1975, rather than be buoyed at the expense of the taxpayer; a leaner, competitive and better company may have come out of the other end.
 

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Liam Olf said:
I personally think the further the government is from artificially controlling UK PLC, the better.

I also think that governments in the Eurozone should do the same... :eyes:

It's allowing this to happen in the past that has probably lead to us having no car industry at all. Years of unsustainable nationalisation, followed by a merciless period of privatisation by irresponsible governments has mean't that UK companies were abismally uncompetitive, thanks to years of suckling at the taxpayer's teet.

I honestly think BL should have been allowed to go under back in 1975, rather than be buoyed at the expense of the taxpayer; a leaner, competitive and better company may have come out of the other end.
I don't agree with nationalism it doesn't work what so ever. Look at BL and the NHS. But government investment does work, if the money simply isn't "lobbed" at the company and wisely invested in new models and updating machinery etc. This didn't happen in the 70s, instead the managment wasted the money on themselves and short term policies. Of course the Unions didn't help, they turned the workforce into greedy, selfish indivuals no longer interested in the cars they were making.

I also wish the government could set up initial starting incentives to give newly forming manufacturing companies a chance, oh and buy British made goods.
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I don't agree with nationalism it doesn't work what so ever. Look at BL and the NHS. But government investment does work, if the money simply isn't "lobbed" at the company and wisely invested in new models and updating machinery etc. This didn't happen in the 70s, instead the managment wasted the money on themselves and short term policies. Of course the Unions didn't help, they turned the workforce into greedy, selfish indivuals no longer interested in the cars they were making.

I also wish the government could set up initial starting incentives to give newly forming manufacturing companies a chance, oh and buy British made goods.
While I agree that British public services should be obliged to buy British, I don't agree that the government should directly get involved in the private sector with anything other than loans, repayed with interest.

While we all got emotional on that night of the collapse, I don't think there was a lot Labour could have done, other than keep their greasy noses out; it was simply too late. Look at the balls up Patricia Hewitt and the DTi made when they prematurely announced the calling in of administrators before MG-Rover execs could catch their breath. The government had no business there because there was nothing they could do other than oil the cogs and provide a soft landing.

On the subject of the public sector purchasing vehicles, I don't even think foreign manufactured vehicles should come into the equation. Seeing Ambulance services driving around in Fiat Ducatos and Mercedes Sprinters is shameful and to a lesser extent treacherous and irresponsible to all the hard working men and women at Southampton, Drews Lane, IBC Luton and so on. I don't really appreciate seeing British tax revenue lining the pockets of foreign workers when: A. They have their own governments to do that for them, and B. There are far better alternatives made in the UK, well suited to the job, and providing employment for even more tax payers.

The same goes for cars. Why do we now have MPs and government ministers driving in Japanese-made Lexuses (or should that be Lexii?) and German-made Vauxhalls, when they could have had British-made Rovers, Jaguars, Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Toyotas, Hondas or Nissans for the ministerial car-pool? And the Police; Why do they now drive German-made Ford Focii, and BMW 5-Series' over endangered Ellesmere Astras, Civics, Almeras, Primeras, Corollas, X-Types, and now defunct ZTs and so on?

As a taxpayer, I am dissatisfied that the government is not acting in my favour...
 

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Liam Olf said:
I don't agree that the government should directly get involved in the private sector with anything other than loans, repayed with interest.
Isn't government investment what made the French and German car industry so strong?

Perhaps you are right government investment simply makes the company uncompetitive because they don't have to worry about making a profit if the government are there to provide cash.

Its sad to think that in the UK all our design and engineering potential is going to waste. Ok so we have the largest percentage of niche sports car companies in the world (most which are British owned) but do you think there is ever any prospect of a British mass manufacture being born again?

How could it form? I guees it could only form if there was a sudden oil crisis or event and a clever inventor could take advantage of that event to sell a car that runs without oil (like the Proffesor in Kent).

But for the meantime there is no prospect of any British car company becoming a giant. Our hopes most rely on niche manufacturing such as Morgan and Austin healey.
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ChrisMG said:
Isn't government investment what made the French and German car industry so strong?
I don't think it was merely down to straight government investment into brands, but I don't deny the fact that a lot of Europe's car makers would not be here today without the aid of their country's governments somewhere along the line.
 

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Im boycotting Pug because they make ugly cars and their technical aspects dont do enough to make up for the dire styling of late.
 

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I would not touch a Pug anyway, I have them as work hire cars and they are rubbish to drive better than the Kia`s that have started to be supplied though!!
 

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fudge123 said:
strange that the unions should put up more of a fight to save a french companies transplant than they did a british plant and i'm not only reffering to the last few months of MG's life.
Also strange that the french government can still give a yearly development grant to its car manufacurers and the british were not allowed to step in and save its one and only british owned major plant from closure.

Good luck to the Ryton Lads, but if the worse comes to the worse at least you will get a decent settlement not a poultry 5k.
It's this type of behaviour that destroyed our own industry in the 70's, except the reasons werent that BL was threatening to move production overseas. The Unions didnt care. The majority of the products known to have caused BL problem in the 70's were the result of striking, leaving cars badly built and unreliable.

The unions may succeed in hurting PUG sales as nothing more than a revenge act, but it certainly wont make Peugeot change their mind..... which is why it only ends up causing more harm to the reputation and concept of unions, and the point of it all I fear will be lost.

How many people remember why the BL strikes of the 70's were so frequent? not many? but everyone remembers how bad the cars were as a result of it.....
 

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Liam Olf said:
While I agree that British public services should be obliged to buy British, I don't agree that the government should directly get involved in the private sector with anything other than loans, repayed with interest.
I agree there shouldn't be BL style control, but Renault, VAG and BMW have done very well due to government involvement.....
 

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I don't think it is as clear cut as that though, I think the focussed management and products that the market wanted contributed to this as well.

BL was a mess in the 1970s, the management was incompetant in the 1980s and throughout the 1990s, this finished the company off.
 
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