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The fourth and final first car option has recently hit me - the delightfully anodyne and common Ford Escort Mk5/6. I am looking at the 1.3 petrol or the 1.8 NASP diesel model.

Reason? Cheap and roomy old hacks that aren't quite as "sheep" choices as the every-man-and-his-dog-and-his-dogs-fleas-have-one Fiesta of a similar era. Perfect for a hard-up 6th form student to ferry family and friends around in when dad's not around. And also you can thrash the balls off them and they'll still run. Plsu theres the halo of the Cossie.

The 1.3 has the ancient 1299cc OHV cabrurettor HCS engine that sounds like a bag of nails being shaken and has the performance of a sloth on cannabis, whilst the NASP diesel is not much better. But both these motors are sloggers that can take galactic mileage and shed laods of abuse.

Even if it's a white H-reg 3door popular with those horrible steel wheels and rustya rches i'd be happy.

Drawbacks of this car:-

*Background car
*Cossie image means they could be nicked.
*The rattlbang HCS unit.#

But they're cheap, roomy and reliable.

Any thoughts?
 

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these are the two worst engines in the escort range - if you must get a TD make sure its the 89bhp version.

There is no denying that the escort is competent family transport though, thats why there are so many of them around, along with loads of 1991-98 astras, 1989-95 rover 200s etc. The french rivals havent stood the test of time so well though. They are attractive used buys:)
 

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If thats the choice you have for the slogger on the motorways etc.. please get the 1.8 diesel!
My mate had a 1.3 escort and it was totally ruined with driving to and from isle of wight to Swansea. It eventually died on about the 3rd trip going back home!

Although slow, the derv will pretty much go on alot further then the petrol

Just my opinion :)

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the 60 odd horsepower diesel is 0-60 in 16 secs, as opposed to around 11.5 for the 89bhp unit, I think you said in previous threads Elstro that you werent that bothered about performance, fair doos but the diesel is the better out of the two engines, what ever bhp it has.
 

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I do want a bit of go, but not too much. I cant afford somethign too fast. And true, i do prefer the diesel but the rattly old HCS engine ahs a kinda charm to it!
 

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escorts have CRAP fuel economy, even the 1.4's can only manage 33mpg....utter tat....stay away

GET A ROVER!! :D

i did, 216si, very pleased, good fuel economy, good looks, quality finish...great car!
 

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Narrowed it down to 4 options:-

1) Rover 218 D
2) Rover Metro 1.4 derv / 115 D
3) Peugeot 205 1.1 / 1.8D
4) Ford Escort V 1.3 / 1.8 D

and Nissan Almera? Please!! The only thing it has going for it is unburstable reliability.
 

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The Escort (in comparison to an mk2 200) has nothing going for it. Nothing at all. You'll get a mk2 214SEi for a couple of hundred quid and it'll be an infinately better car than the 'Scort.

How many rot-free Escorts do you see? My brother just px-d his '98my Escort (owned from new by my late father (company car) and kept immaculate) and was happy to get the £600 he did - apparently it was completely rotten!

If you like I can dig out a review of the 200 from the early 90s pitching it against the 'competition'...
 

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The Escort was made considerably better with its first facelift in 1992. That is when it adopted the open mouthed front grille. They also launched the 16v Zetec engines at the same time. Dynamically, I believe they were made alot better.

If you like the 1.3 or 1.8D, then you are best off going for one of the many Special Edition models that Ford produced for the Escort.

One of my favourite Escorts, were one of the last Mk 4 Escort's - the Escort Eclipse 1.3. It was available in Metallic Blue and Red and was a sporty looking 1.3 5-Door with XR3i rear spoiler and wheel covers.

As for later Escorts in Mk 5 format, then there is the Escort Encore 1.3, which had rear spoiler and sporty wheel covers. It was a nice package, but was a prefacelift Escort Mk 5.

In 1991, Ford did the Escort Fresco and Quartz models which were basically Escort Popular and LX models respectively - they rebadged them to sell old stock off at a lower price.

Latterly, they did Escort Fresco II and Quartz II models, which were rebadged Escort L and Escort LX's.

The facelift Escorts were launched in September 1992.
 

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Have to agree, a pre bubble 200 are peanuts to buy and some of them are kept in amazing condition! There was one on here not long ago, mint selling for 350 but had to reduce to 200 cos no-one needed it! Rediculous!

But my 2 cents would be get a 200 petrol or diesel. :D
 

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Escorts will kill you on insurance, with very little gain at the other end. Stay away.

You are best off leaving the 200s and Escorts for a few months until you have got used to the road in a smaller car.

One car I would recommend, and one that I have a guilty softspot for is the Ryton-built Peugeot 306. The D-Turbo is loud, archaic and disappointly uneconomical, but insurance for what you get is quite low at Group 5, and you get 90BHP and a turbo. Build quality could be better, but they look quite striking compared to the rest.

Head gaskets are apparently an unpublicised problem with these engines, but you should be safe with a cheap high miler, provided it has FSH and has been serviced.

If you want another option, the 1.4 is a good buy, even if it is, again loud, archaic and underpowered, but I would hinge my bets at saying it would be better than a Escrot. Plus insurance is cheap as well.

I also like Fiat Bravos (3-door), they're good on the insurance and depreciation was crippling, thus meaning they're cheap to buy. Body's are galvanised as well, so no worries about cosmetic rust spoiling the show. All depends if you can live with a FIAT, but seeing as we all like Rovers that probably isn't a problem. They're probably better than what people pan them out to be...

The first car is always the toughest hurdle, so buy as cheap a car as you can, but don't get a duffer. 1.1 Metros are still my recommendation, from experience.
 

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Seriously, imo either the 200 or 400 are far better cars than the escort. RS2000 looks pretty good value though, only 150bhp but i bet the insurance would still be expensive

Disagree with liam on the metro, your on the better track with the escort sized cars. more room, not that much more on insurance/petrol and if you have a bump you'll have the bonus of still being alive!
 

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and Nissan Almera? Please!! The only thing it has going for it is unburstable reliability.
Something which the Escort doesn't. :lol: Actually, the engines are quite nippy, and they do handle reasonably well!
 

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I dislike the almera too, but there is no denying it is competent. It doesnt do much wrong, but doesnt sparkle in others. Typical japanese run of the mill car of the period.
Auto express (yes i am referring to it again:irked:) voted it one of the best student buys for under £1500.
 

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But it also has an abominable Euro NCAP rating for a brand new car apparently.

I can't beleive a company like Nissan are still selling the same car from ten years ago with a mild re-body TBH. Most of the other models have been replaced in one way or another, why have Renault-Nissan been hesitant to replace this dog?
 

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Elstro said:
Narrowed it down to 4 options:-

1) Rover 218 D
2) Rover Metro 1.4 derv / 115 D
3) Peugeot 205 1.1 / 1.8D
4) Ford Escort V 1.3 / 1.8 D

and Nissan Almera? Please!! The only thing it has going for it is unburstable reliability.
If its your first car and just want something cheap then how about a fiesta 1.1 or metro/100 1.1. If you can afford something from the list then I would say Rover 218D or Escort 1.8D.
 

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Liam Olf said:
But it also has an abominable Euro NCAP rating for a brand new car apparently.

I can't beleive a company like Nissan are still selling the same car from ten years ago with a mild re-body TBH. Most of the other models have been replaced in one way or another, why have Renault-Nissan been hesitant to replace this dog?
the almera 1995-2001 did just as bad as the escort. Both cars received a strike in their rating. escort got 2 stars and a strike and i think the 1st almera got 3 and a strike.

the 2001- almera received 4 stars.
 
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