Very Lucky dude! shame about your mate, maybe he can now buy an MG

 

he only got the punto as his vvc blowen up lol. I wont be sitting in the back of a cop car again, i almost wet self lol

 

Why did they take his (why ?) and not yours ?

 

We both got a section 59 tonight, and he already had one and I didnt. Get two of them and you lose your car, Plus he didnt help matters when he started to got checky with them and getting in there face's.

 

Higher resale value?

 

I really don't understand why you posted this???

Is it 'oh woe is me, i've been a prat, and got a (very deserved in my opinion) section 59'

Or is is like being proud of having an asbo??

My best advice is this:

1) Don't be a prat out on the road.

2) Delete this thread, as i am sure you will get more stick than i am giving you.

Cheers
Dave

 

Thank's Dave

Like I said at the start of my thread
"First, im not putting this post up to show off and im not very happy with my self. I was the one that was driving and I was the one that got caught doing it."

This thread is for (hopfully) so ppl will learn from my mistake for being such a dick with a car on the road!!

I deserve all the stick im going to get

 

tool.


that is all

 

Spanner

Sorry, this isn't the word association thread is it!!! :rofl:

Cheers
Dave

 

Not so much fussed that you got section 59'd (Personally I'd say you probably deserved it but cba going hoiler than thou on you, I'm not perfect), I just can't beleive you did it for the sake of a punto.

For that....I think you should be banned....from this forum. LOL.

 

and breathing oxygen

 

17 - 25 yr old men are the highest Insurance risk ....... I'd personaly would like to see all NEW drivers for the first 5 years be restricted to 1.3 cc MAX n/a form ...........

As a driving instructor I have seen a disprotionate number of students coming back for lessons because of being banned due to totting up 6 points within 2 years .............. all lads too ..... FAIL .......

I have two mates who are Traffic Cops , they hate going to "accidents" due to young lads acting the BIG I'AM with cars ............

No wonder insurance companies hate em .............

 

Even a 1.3 can break all the speed limits.

 

what would restricting people to 1.3 litre do?

Do you know what a 1.3 'with the right' gear can do when it hits something/someone?

Replace gear with anything you want.... NOS, turbocharger, supercharge.....idiot driver....

People are knobs with 1.1's.... it is not the car's fault. As a matter of fact I very much doubt it's the age>engine size ratio at all. 99% of young people driving like idiots are in clapped out powerless tinboxes.


If the section 59 has done it's job on the OP, and he feels on himself he won't be doing what he did again, then problem solved afaic.

But not everyone learns. Take his buddy for example. Now that's an issue.

 

I'm fully aware of what a car can do ............ despite its CC , obviously a new driver would have to keep the car standard ffs ..........

Just look at what happens when you give a new driver unlimited power ..... Amir Khan etc ..........

 

It works in other countries , and yes its does'nt matter what CC it is its the NUT behind the wheel that cause's most accidents .

Remember alot of people who pass their driving test aint 17 ...... I'd say 50% of my students are 25+ ........ why restrict them to a 1.1 , 950 , 750 etc etc .... there needs to be some kind of radical shake up for a certain age group ..... Insurance companies are doing it at the mo ......... but it should be the goverment .....

Anyone who gets a section 59 deserve's a lot more imho

 

Just look what you give my next door neighbour a 1.1 citroen AX....

I know what your point is, but once again it's not to do with the cars. It's the attitude 100% and that's the starting point for anyone wanting to come up with the slightest of realistic solutions.

I'd much rather force known geezers to have to pay you for another ten hours to have sense lectured into them than just say 'you'r too inexperienced go get a corsa'.

 

Tbh, I get what rambo is saying.
When I had my 1.1 I would always get young lads in their 1.1 reving up thier engines at the lights.
I jus looked at them as if to say "whats the point"
I know what im about to say dosnt make it any better for what I did tonight, But I got caught messing around in a carpark on a deadend street, very rightly again I deserve what I got tonight, but Iv got to point out im not one of them idiot's that sits there reving his engine at the lights wanting to race the other car next to me.

 

I know what ya saying mate , but surely after one slapped wrist ???

 

I think some of the things been said are really unfair on some of the younger guys.

Yes you do get the odd idiot driving like they think there Lewis Hamilton on the streets, but what about the teenagers like myself?

3 years ago i had my heart set on an MG.. insurance was cheap back then. Im a 'Mechanic Minded' guy, have a real interest in cars, therefore i kno what cars are capable of.

Just saying the term all 17-25 year olds are dangerous on the road should be used ALOT looser.

Cheers
James

 

I think some of the things been said are really unfair on some of the younger guys.



Just saying the term all 17-25 year olds are dangerous on the road should be used ALOT looser.

Cheers
James

Not me dude , accident's , section 59's , DD , DI's , CD's, SP's are some of the reasons Insurance co's dont like the 17-25 bracket

 

While I can understand the different points of view expressed by everyone so far in this thread, I do really hate the tagging young drivers with being dangerous (especially males) and think it is rather unfair to those who attempt to drive responsibly.

I understand that there are problems with young drivers being irresponsible and dangerous behind the wheel, some areas are certainly worse than others too, there's no denying this. However, to say that all young drivers between 17-25 should be limited to a certain engine size is absolutely absurd.

I know that engine size is a factor which most believe is atleast one of the underlying causes of young drivers accidents and that's why insurance companies underwrite in the way that they do.

But to say that all young drivers are irresponsible, dangerous or not experienced enough to drive a more powerful engine just doesn't seem right because everyone drives in an individual manor. Some pay attention at all time, accelerate responsible, keep an adequate braking distance, are aware of their surroundings, corner at safe speeds and stick to the speed limits.

Others pass their tests and seem to throw their L-plates, along with everything they've been taught, out of the windows and inevitably will cause accidents - regardless of the vehicle they are in control of.

I agree an irresponsible driver is more likely to have an accident in a quicker car, hell, even a responsible and aware driver who continues to drive in the same way he passed his driving test is more likely to have an accident in a quicker car. I understand that insurance premiums are higher for faster cars because of this and really it does make sense, there's no denying it.

But to try and stop 17-25 year olds driving these cars is stupid.

Really there needs to be multiple policies in place to reduce accidents caused by this age bracket. How this would be tackled is beyond me, but innocent until proven guilty should work the same way when driving - if you aren't guilty of driving like a nutter then why should you be punished as though you are one?

For one, the Speed Awareness bull**** courses which have been introduced as (a one time) alternative for receiving 3 points when speeding (within 10% of speed limit +6) should be pretty much scrapped. I'm not sure if its country wide or in specific counties but really, people who are caught speeding, should be punished with points and a fine. Make them go on a course as well as this to highlight the dangers of speeding, don't allow it to be an alternative which gives them the opportunity to keep a clean license.

I know far too many people my age (17 - 20) who drive too quick and have managed to be caught just the once and have been on these courses, the only outcome is that they keep a clean license and therefore weren't punished (besides £60 and a few hours of their time) - instead of learning from their mistakes they instead just look out for speed cameras/speed checking vehicles more now that they know what they look like.

I could go on but I realised its late and this post sort of waffled on into a rant :/ My apologies.

tl:dr; catch and punish the dangerous/irresponsible/speeding drivers, rather than punishing the ones you expect (due to their age) to be doing it

 

Really there needs to be multiple policies in place to reduce accidents caused by this age bracket. How this would be tackled is beyond me, but innocent until proven guilty should work the same way when driving - if you aren't guilty of driving like a nutter then why should you be punished as though you are one?

Well said.

Along with most things you said.

 

For one, the Speed Awareness bull**** courses which have been introduced as (a one time) alternative for receiving 3 points when speeding (within 10% of speed limit +6) should be pretty much scrapped. I'm not sure if its country wide or in specific counties but really, people who are caught speeding, should be punished with points and a fine. Make them go on a course as well as this to highlight the dangers of speeding, don't allow it to be an alternative which gives them the opportunity to keep a clean license.

TBH I disagree with this, I think points and fines encourage people to cry 'victim of the system' where courses pry into a mindset.

It won't work in all cases but it is a decent attempt at hitting the problem. Most people who have been on it seem quite genuinely supportive.

Another thing we need to teach on a general basis is speed appreciation. When you're not the one driving, look sideways and see how fast you'd be hitting things you're going past...

I'm also strictly against (and I know you didn't imply it) judging driving behaviour by speed alone. Speed does crop up commonly, I'd rather catch two youths driving in a dangerous manner, having broken no speed limits directly, than have a copper set up in a layby during commute hours to catch every geezer doing 35. As far as policing is concerned I do actually think the former would bring better value for money.

 

when i was 17 and just past my test for about 9 months i got caught speeding, got caught doing 76 in a 60 zone and if im being honest back then that wasnt the fastest i was doing but ive got to say getting they 3 points wrecked everything for me, my insurance at the time didnt go up but after that car it was sky high on everything, its still on my licence so my insurance is still a bit high even on the rover, i had a transit van last year and was offered a bit of courier work with it and loved it but lost that job in october, ive been looking for courier work ever since but because im under 25 most wont touch me on there vans but some would have if it wasnt for my points, i must say getting they 3 points made me realise and now im the one at the front of the line doing 55 in a 60 and holding everybody back, i think if you dont get a kick back to reality after the first time the second time should be a big fine and if it happens for a third time then it should be a huge fine and your licence away if your in the 17-25 age bracket.

 

tbh i can see more older drivers that doesn know how to use a roundabout than yound idiotic drivers.

 

BMW 3/5 series, Audi A4/A6's VW Passats. All rep cars, often driven badly by 40-60 year old business men. No indicators, tailgating, undertaking, cruising at 90-100 on the motorway, dangerous lane changes to cut across to the exit.

Young men may be dangerous on the A-roads, but business men are the kings of bad driving on the motorway.

At least boy racers often have the courtesy to indicate.

 

to be honest the whole engine size thing would cause more aggro than help ...... im 19 im on my 3rd car ive had 2 focus 1.8 zetecs and now my 1.8 zr never crashed any of them never been cought speeding in either of them and there both capable of doing a fair bit over a 100 fairly quickly ! if you respect your car you dont drive it like a **** tbh lol the only times ive ever been pulled is because my mate put fog bulbs in one of my brake lights (knobber) and another time when i was turning into my road the policeman said it was too frantic ???? oh sorry and a time when i was at a junction and drove down the road oppisite where there was a car park and on 1 of the entrances there was a no entry sign as it was a 1 way system car park (i did go through the right entrance ) the policewoman followed me in and saidto me did you know you just drove through a no entry sign ??? ......she thought the sign was for the actuall road not the car park lol was funny when she relised she was wrong lol

 

ok, so we all agree that it is more common for young lads to be idiots, but i've found that whilst the younger generations can be idiots through inexperience, the older generations are equally capable of intentional dangerous driving.

for example, next time you're tailgated, have a look to see how old the driver is...for me they are mostly mid-late 40's

i also recently had a guy in a pick-up (sat waiting to turn into a commercial driveway) lurch his vehicle halfway across my lane and then grin like a cheshire cat.
(i would like to point out that i was correctly lit for conditions and travelling 3mph under the speed limit)

so as much as young drivers have made a name for themselves, i think that the older drivers who choose to be reckless have learnt to be devious and get away with it.

 

To be fair i'm no angel on the road, but instead of ragging around all the time, i save my petrol money and go up to santapod now and then to really put my foot down and enjoy, then you can race your mates or whoever, and actually have proof that you beat them!!

 

Moral of the story is there is no point getting nicked racing a recycled washing machine

 

ok....i pay through the nose for everything, the same as everybody else. no body is going to tell me i can only have up to a certain cc, unless they buy me the bloody replacement car.

ive been on the road 5 years, started from age 16 on a moped, 125cc bike at 17 til i was 19 and passed my driving test. i had a crash on my moped - caused by a min 30's IDIOT who pulled across by lane to turn into a sidestreet and nothing since. no points, not so much as a parking ticket AND im totally blind in my left eye.

smaller cc cars are getting very expensive to insure because theyre popular with the traffic light grand prix lot. so we would end up paying even more.

 

the young drivers causing all the accidents are the dicks from your local council estate on the doll driving there 1.1's trying to get the POS to go faster.

And yet us respectable young lads on the roads who enjoy driving and looking after our cars respecting other drivers still haveto pay the same insurance of £19343543+ a year as the idiots who cause accidents.

i think if you have a clean license you should be treated the same as a 25+ year old untill you get a record of dangerous driving or police record then it should raise depending on your convictions

 

+1 :broon:

 

I think people aged 17-25 get a raw deal, yes you do get 'boy racers' but every person has the urge in them to put there foot down, not just 17-25 year olds.

 

Anybody fancy a drag race? :dddc:


tbh i would hate to have to do my job (40k miles a year) in a 1.3 fiesta due to my age :lol:
(4 years driving, 4 years NCD)