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?? Ehh confused, when you come down from your trip google the K Series engine and get some real facts
The K was cheap and quick to make and the honda tie up in the early 90's gave rover the basics for engine design. Even the mg suspension rarely fails the MOT because it is derived from the honda civic. The coolant flow return thermostate is a honda feature. The K series has failed because of injection moulding of the casting and low water content. Fiat engines are the same, blow gaskets at 50K.

If the engine is build correctly from the start things are okay But because of the design to make manufacture cost low it is major prob when the gasket fails. What a failing.

Ask your self why did rover go bust. Because honda said bye bye.
 

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The K was cheap and quick to make and the honda tie up in the early 90's gave rover the basics for engine design. Even the mg suspension rarely fails the MOT because it is derived from the honda civic. The coolant flow return thermostate is a honda feature. The K series has failed because of injection moulding of the casting and low water content. Fiat engines are the same, blow gaskets at 50K.

If the engine is build correctly from the start things are okay But because of the design to make manufacture cost low it major prob when the gasket fails. What a failing.
face-palm, watch the video it explains who made the engine, MG rear Suspension is derived from maestro. k-series blew head gaskets for couple of reason:

  • Low coolant
  • Inlet manifold gasket failure
  • Gasket it self
  • Head not casted properly
  • Dowels can fail
  • Thermal shock
  • Leak
  • Overheating
  • Water Pump fails
  • Thermostat
  • Air lock
  • Blockage
I used to work for MG Rover specialist garage so I know what I am talking about.
 

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The K was cheap and quick to make and the honda tie up in the early 90's gave rover the basics for engine design. Even the mg suspension rarely fails the MOT because it is derived from the honda civic. The coolant flow return thermostate is a honda feature. The K series has failed because of injection moulding of the casting and low water content. Fiat engines are the same, blow gaskets at 50K.

If the engine is build correctly from the start things are okay But because of the design to make manufacture cost low it is major prob when the gasket fails. What a failing.

Ask your self why did rover go bust. Because honda said bye bye.
rover went bust because of a decade of mis management, gorden brown cutting a loan that would of kept rover alive and merged/in partnership with its current owners, rather than bought out, and bmws pillaging of landrover jag and mini

honda pulling out had little/nothing to do with it
 

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face-palm, watch the video it explains who made the engine, MG rear Suspension is derived from maestro. k-series blew head gaskets for couple of reason:

  • Low coolant
  • Inlet manifold gasket failure
  • Gasket it self
  • Head not casted properly
  • Dowels can fail
  • Thermal shock
  • Leak
  • Overheating
  • Water Pump fails
  • Thermostat blockage
  • Air lock
I used to work for MG Rover specialist garage so I know what I am talking about.
What a reputation. I would commit harry carry. So why did rover go bust?
Pure and simple bad design and cheap skate management.
 

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rover went bust because of a decade of mis management, gorden brown cutting a loan that would of kept rover alive and merged/in partnership with its current owners, rather than bought out, and bmws pillaging of landrover jag and mini

honda pulling out had little/nothing to do with it
you have hit the nail on the head. +1
 

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also IIRC on the engine front, the N-Series was NAC's take on the K-Series - it is used in the MG3SW and in the MG7 but will not be upgraded for the forthcoming Euro (China) V emissions regs.

The NSE is the Kavachi(?) and is also known by letters appearing on the MG6... TTC? is that right?
 

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What a reputation. I would commit harry carry. So why did rover go bust?
Pure and simple bad design and cheap skate management.
Mis management, BMW, BL reputation, Phoenix 4 who took all the money from the company, 'clueless clarkson', Government for not saving them, lack of money to make new models. You need to learn your facts before coming on a forum like this and making controversial comments like that otherwise you will make enemies very quickly. It was a fantastic design, WATCH THE VIDEO AND FIND OUT HOW GOOD IT WAS DESIGNED.
 

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What a reputation. I would commit harry carry.

So why did rover go bust?
I refer the honourable member to a wide selection of threads but suggest we keep the topic off this thread.

I know that MG Birmingham had already begun preparations by June to make the MG6 and that it is a long hard slog from now. There won't be public weekly updates though I suspect we will be hearing news from Guy Jones as and when the news is ready!
 

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also IIRC on the engine front, the N-Series was NAC's take on the K-Series - it is used in the MG3SW and in the MG7 but will not be upgraded for the forthcoming Euro (China) V emissions regs.

The NSE is the Kavachi(?) and is also known by letters appearing on the MG6... TTC? is that right?
Nope, the NSE is found in the Roewe 350 and the upcoming MG5 and MG3. The Kavachi is found in the MG6 and Roewe 550 where it is also known as TCI-Tech. It is also found in the Roewe 750 and MG7 where it is not known as the TCI-Tech! The MG 3SW does indeed have the N Series, as does the MG TF. Early MG7s had N Series engines rather than Kavachi engines.

Is that everything sorted, or have we missed something?
 

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Iam sorry for going off thread. The UK has to be the best to survive. I live at crewe near the ex rolls royce factory making bently coupes with BMW engines. The world is now a small place and one engine will fit all.

Only the best is good enough!
 

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Iam sorry for going off thread. The UK has to be the best to survive. I live at crewe near the ex rolls royce factory making bently coupes with BMW engines. The world is now a small place and one engine will fit all.

Only the best is good enough!
Bentley use VAG engines mate. If every manufacturer used one engine it would be rubbish as it would be boring and you may as well make the same car, that is the worst idea I have ever heard in my life. :rofl:
 

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BMW or VW what is the difference they have a good reputation. Hmmm PG1, R65 and IB5. Honda, peugot and ford gearbox pure economics. Depends on what the buyers can arrange with many suppliers. Cost is be all and end all.
 

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BMW or VW what is the difference they have a good reputation. Hmmm PG1, R65 and IB5. Honda, peugot and ford gearbox pure economics.
Ford IB5 is a **** gearbox, it lacks feel compared to the other two boxes and the throw is too far, BMW wouldn't fund Rover for making their own engines. And Phoenix 4 wouldn't fund MG Rover to make new gearbox either.
 

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Ford IB5 is a **** gearbox, it lacks feel compared to the other two boxes and the throw is too far, BMW wouldn't fund Rover for making their own engines. And Phoenix 4 wouldn't fund MG Rover to make new gearbox either.
Honda the best. IB5 was the best deal in 2003 so ZR 1.4 had IB5s, It lacks feel, add molyslip makes a big difference to the gear changing action.
Cars are built to make revenue, jobs and tax for the goverment I always keep this in mind when I buy a car.
 

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Honda the best. IB5 was the best deal in 2003 so ZR 1.4 had IB5s, It lacks feel, add molyslip makes a big difference to the gear changing action.
Cars are built to make revenue, jobs and tax for the goverment I always keep this in mind when I buy a car.
Yer I agree the Honda is the best, mine has Peugeot R65 gearbox and I think its good, especially compared to the awful Ford IB5 gearbox. I couldn't give a **** about revenue when I buy a car as you have to be clinically insane to care about that or care about taxes to the government however I only buy cars that support British jobs like the MG6 or Nissan Qashqai.
 
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