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I have asked before but still can't understand why I can get into another 1.6 automatic car and find more power!

My 400 has the honda engine, I do the oil change every year plus filter, use shell helix 10 40, ngk sparks, air filter etc. Just to keep it ticking along nicely.

Auto gearbox is not at its best even though changed the fluid last year and has always been changed within the time required and is always nice and pink. Always used the Honda ATF expensive stuff aswell.

But I feel it could do with a boost!

Which makes me wonder if it was serviced is there something else involved that would give it a new lease of life.

Which again leads me to the question what does a full service actually get you other than the change of oil, oil filter, coolant, air filter, sparks?

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I have asked before but still can't understand why I can get into another 1.6 automatic car and find more power!
Could it be a fuel filter problem or a worn cam belt affecting the timing? Sorry if this is of no use as I am not familiar with these engines.
Thank you for your reply, the cam belt was done last year, but fuel filter hasn't been done in the 4 years I've had the car so thats something that I should look into. Cheers.
 

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Fairly large car + 1.6 auto = life in the slow lane I'm afraid! What other cars are you driving?

Tyres at the correct pressure?
 

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I have asked before but still can't understand why I can get into another 1.6 automatic car and find more power!

My 400 has the honda engine, I do the oil change every year plus filter, use shell helix 10 40, ngk sparks, air filter etc. Just to keep it ticking along nicely.

Auto gearbox is not at its best even though changed the fluid last year and has always been changed within the time required and is always nice and pink. Always used the Honda ATF expensive stuff aswell.

But I feel it could do with a boost!

Which makes me wonder if it was serviced is there something else involved that would give it a new lease of life.

Which again leads me to the question what does a full service actually get you other than the change of oil, oil filter, coolant, air filter, sparks?

Cheers.
The question you pose in this thread's title should never be asked.
Which again leads me to the question what does a full service actually get you other than the change of oil, oil filter, coolant, air filter, sparks?
That is a more reasonable question. There is far more too a service than you've outlined there. That is routine renewals. There are some drivers who do not service their cars ... because modern cars do not need it doing for 15,000 mile intervals between services so no need. Then one day they put their foot on the brake pedal and it goes to the floor. Nobody has checked the Brake Fluid level for 9,000 miles and progressive loss means ... no brakes.... just what you need at motorway speeds when you see a stopped traffic hold up in all the lanes ... Doesn't happen ... Oh yes it does.

Then again, lighweight driver ( of either sex ) not bothered to check PAS drive belts or fluid level suddenly loses all power steering at speed when making a turn... Net result ... straight on until muscles strength takes control ... if they're lucky, quick and have sufficent arm strength.

There's more to having any car, modern, old or aged serviced than a simple oil and filter change.

I believe there are now some basic car related 'mechanical' questions in the modern UK driving test. I do not know the scope of these questions but they need to be compiled in such a way that the pupil taking the test FULLY understands the possible implications of NOT understanding how important the servicing programme for their cars is. Not from the fuel consumption and reliability standpoint, but from the much more important safety aspects.

A few months ago, driving down the narrow winding lanes to my property in a remote part of Gloucestershire where Four by Fours are a freqent sight .. and usually driven accordingly ... :rolleyes: ... I saw approaching a Nissan 4x4 of Monster truck proportions. when I was about 100 metres away the Monster went straight on down a ditch and through a hedge ~ the five foot nowt female driver was OK and explained that her steering had 'gone'. I am reminded of that incident every time I drive past that hole in the hedge now with nice new wood fence in its palce. I wonder when the power steering belts were checked on that motor...

I have seen that same woman blatting along those winding lanes in the past ... high above the hedge so she can see if anything coming so no need to keep on 'her' side of the road road those blind bends is there? Is there hell ... Despite the lofty view from her Monster truck, she cannot see my low profile saloon through the hedges ... unless the stupid cow has X-Ray eyes!

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Well I am pleased to know that the garages do actually do something for the £300 they charge for a full service. Just that when you look at what they say they do, they sell themshelves short then!

Because whenever I have looked at a garage's full service advert it says "oil, filters, sparks, coolant" etc. Which as far as I was concerned is not worth 300 quid. Plus you don't know what cheap old rubbish they have used.

And as for broken down cars on the side of the motorway, I always find they are newish cars, us with our oldies drive on. "saying touching wood"

But I have done my best to look after the old Rover, doing an oil and filter change every year, air filter, sparks etc. And always passes MOT first time.

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Fairly large car + 1.6 auto = life in the slow lane I'm afraid! What other cars are you driving?

Tyres at the correct pressure?
Just driven a Vauxhall Astra auto X reg. Got quite some guts in it! lovely smooth gear changes.

A couple of Auto specialists have recommended LubeGard additive for me auto box, give it a new lease of life. Due to the past troubles with it as well.
 

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Of course, the shinier the floor and the larger the coffee area at a dealer's, the higher the prices.

The punter generally pays through the labour rate which also funds expensive diagnostic kit. It's a lottery - if you need lots of labour hours and minimal expensive kit, you lose lots (e.g. cambelt change over £1000 - though it does use special tools, they're not that expensive); if you need only minimal hours plus kit, you lose less lots.

There can be no doubt that servicing is essential (the word is "inspection" in German) and that any service interval over one year is there to appeal to fleet accountants but potentially dangerous for punters.

To save money and get it done right, find a trustworthy and knowledgeable expert.
 

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Hello!
I need help! Did someone had a chanse to exchange gearbox filter,and can you give me an adress where can I order it?
Thank you!
 

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When you say sluggish, is it sluggish in all gears as it changes up the gears or just no power at all at the top end.

Is the kick down/throttle cable adjusted right so when you floor the throttle to overtake it actually changes down a gear say from 4th to 3rd to give you that extra bit of power to overtake.

Whats it like driving it as a manual ie start of in 1 and move it through the gears with the gear lever, rather than just putting it in D4 and letting the box do the changes.


Is there any difference when you drive it like this.

Are the Auto box clutch packs slipping, unlikely though if as you say the old fluid is still pink when changed.
 

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I had the same model and indeed it can be a bit sluggish. So long as the box is ok I'd say it's fairly normal.... I get irritated to high hell when people say "oooh I got a full service for £99 you were ripped off paying £500". Then you ask were the plugs changed "no", was the cam belt changed "no", was the gearbox oil changed "no" and so on. So I politely inform them they obviously got a real bargain then!

One thing that did give me more pep was adjusting/changing the throttle/kickdown cable - if you look it is the most massive run of cable EVER. Mine had much resistance at the pedal - turned out the cable was frayed.

An air filter always helps, valves can be adjusted if they are a bit noisy but can't say it made much difference performance wise. The thing that did was a nice set of fresh plugs and distributor cap(and arm) if you can bear the cost as they cost £££.

If you look through the manuals and get an idea of the gearbox - afraid you will find that it isn't the most modern (dates back to the 60s - the original hondamatic anyway). Completely mechanically controlled and due to the design you will always get a fairly good thump of a gear change. NEVER EVER put anything other than specified fluid in autos - magic fixes do more harm than good!

All in all though good cars, just noticed such a difference when I moved to the 75 auto - so much more poke and the box is in a different league.

Oooooh you sound like you like the car ... one thing I learned was to use honda oil filers (from their dealers), they are purflux. Some guy did a dissection of several brands and they were clearly the best 9helped prevent rattle on warm startup on mine)- will see if I can find the save of the page as its been removed.

HTH
 
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