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Hi guys,

Really silly question but i have heard that it is possible to get into the boot of an F and TF without keys and without damaging the car.

You see i have a friend who also owns a TF and said he knew how to do it as a Guy from MGR showed him when he locked his keys in the boot and had no spares.

Out of pure interest i was wondering if this is possible and how you go about it. This may be useful to know incase i ever do something that stupid. Obviously if no-one wishes to post or would prefer to send a PM for security reasons i would understand.

To be honest i was just curious as to firstly if this is possible, and secondly how many people know how to do it.
 

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Adam, there are several ways to get into the boot without keys and some of them do involve damaging the car unfortunately.
Obviously the methods of doing this pose a security risk and because of this I don't expect anyone to respond to you either here or by PM as its not information that should be distributed.
Obviously if you were in an emergency situation where you needed to gain entry to the boot without the keys, then I am sure people would offer you the info, but I'm afraid 'just out of interest' isn't a good enough justification for me to tell you how to do it and others may think the same.
 

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That is not a problem and i fully understand this. I was just curious to know if it was possible as you stated that is not really a good reason. I understand the security the risks.

Hopefully i will never be in a situation to need to know how to do it. The wife always has a separte set of keys. :)

I was just a bit concerned about the security of this.........it is not very assuring when someone tells you it is possible to get in without any keys. Although i suppose only a select few know how to do this.

Has there been any problems with people knowing how to do this?
 

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Sorry Adam, i'm with Sharky on this one - the information is potentially sensitive.

But i can tell you that Sharky and i spent an hour and a half on Sunday in the car park at Stoneliegh breaking into an F boot to retrieve the owners keys - the bruises on my arm are evidence that it can be done! :lol:
 

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Not a problem guys. i understand. If ever i need to know (for a proper reason l;ike i have done the same) then i will send either of you guys a PM.

Nice to know i suppose that someone out there knows how to do it. The security of this is a bit concerning though.........

.......thats why the information should not be distribution though :)

Thanks Guys. At least i now know it is possible and should really take back the comment of me telling my mate that the possibility was stupid. ooooppps!!!
 

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IMO the security issue isn't an issue. If it takes 2 people with a knowledge of MGF's, the experience of doing this before, and with the correct tools (eventually) an hour and a half to do, just think how long it would take someone who doesn't know how to do it, or doesn't have the tools, IMHO it would be almost imposable.
You must understand this is not a quick or even easy thing to do and IMO it is not something an opportunist car thief (even if he knew ‘the method’) would even attempt as it is just too involved and time consuming.
 

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I am wondering now if maybe i should put the method on here afterall, i seem to remember having it typed up already, so it should just be a cut and paste job.

Anyway, attached is a picture of the bruises on my forearm. The result of breaking into the boot on Saunday :D
 

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I am wondering now if maybe i should put the method on here afterall, i seem to remember having it typed up already, so it should just be a cut and paste job.

Anyway, attached is a picture of the bruises on my forearm. The result of breaking into the boot on Saunday :D
Flipping heck Andy...I hope you got a drink for all that suffering!
 

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Scarlet Fever said:
I am wondering now if maybe i should put the method on here afterall, i seem to remember having it typed up already, so it should just be a cut and paste job.

Anyway, attached is a picture of the bruises on my forearm. The result of breaking into the boot on Saunday :D
Ouch thats gotta hurt!!
 

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Actually, all i wanted was a copy of the photos taken at the time (yet to arrive). It is something that i do very rarely (only done it three times, prior to last Sunday, the time before was in the year 2000 and the first time i was a participant in the group that devised it, rather than completing the work myself) and so i have no pictures of how it is done on my hard drive (in my F archive).

Been reviewing the method and i feel that it is pretty safe to post - as Sharky says, 2 people with between them a lot of knowledge of the car still took an hour and a half, plus as the car is stripped it tends to draw onlookers. Also it requires the car to be unlocked so it is useless to a thief i reckon.

I personally know of 4 ways to break in, but only the one Sharkey and i did on Sunday is 'safe' in this manner, so i think it should be available as a 'just in case' you know?

What do you peeps reckon? Do you want to know how it's done?
 

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Ouch, that must hurt. I see what you mean about the security issue and although i have no idea how to do it. if it takes two blokes(or chicks :) and about 1hr and a half i too doubt a thief would be interested in this.

It would be interesting to know how to do it. But if you do not wish to post i still understand the security risks. Depends what everybody else reckons. Il leave it in the hands of others?

Thanks. PS) Hope you bruise goes failry quickly.........i hope you recieved a large drink :)
 

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I'll leave it 'till later and see what others think before pasting the info up here i reckon.

For the record, Straffs just PM'd me with his theory and he was spot on - so if he can figure it out from the clues above then i'm sure others can too.
 

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If people need to get into their own cars and don't have a key there are people trained to assist them. Publishing any method that helps would be thieves to gain entry to a car no matter how convoluted it appears to be is not a good idea in my opinion. I would suggest a PM to Steve Childs before anything is done here.
 

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.... For the record, Straffs just PM'd me with his theory and he was spot on - so if he can figure it out from the clues above then i'm sure others can too....
Oi, you insinuating I'm thick :***: how did you work that out from 5 minutes at Stoneleigh? Only joshing. :flipa:

The clue was in another thread when your rescuee had to purchase something! Also went out to the car park and looked at the car and, as Spock would agree with, applied logic.
 

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If people need to get into their own cars and don't have a key there are people trained to assist them. Publishing any method that helps would be thieves to gain entry to a car no matter how convoluted it appears to be is not a good idea in my opinion. I would suggest a PM to Steve Childs before anything is done here.
Good point. PM on it's way.
 

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Reply from Steve...

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Yeah, sounds good to me - go ahead :)

Could you PM me a link to it once you've posted it though please :)
So here it is...

Boot access

OK, I know of four ways to access the boot, depending on tools and time available and also how willing you are to damage the car to get access (how desperate the situation is). ;)

The one below is the most complex, but damage free way. How the professionals and thieves do it (the other 3 methods i know of) will not be published here on a public forum.

Method 1 - The Treffen method

This was developed ad-hoc by some enthusiasts (including me!) when one of our group locked their keys in the boot on a tour to Germany (called the Treffen (German for ‘meeting’)). Anyway, we tried some of the other methods but because the boot was jam packed with luggage they weren’t successful.

This method is pretty safe to tell people about, it requires time, patience, tools, full access to the cabin and the keys to actually be in the boot. It also provides a bit of a ‘spectacle’ as you remove panels and trim, so it isn’t really any use to a thief. :)

Lastly, if you have an aftermarket air filter like the ITG Maxogen, you may find that this needs removing to give you enough access, entailing extra tools / time.

You need:

10mm ratchet spanner
A piece of string or a length of bungee cord

Begin by removing your windstop (if you have one), raise the hood and unclip the 5 over-centre catches around the back of the parcel shelf under the carpet. This will release the rear of the hood, allowing you to fold the rear upwards towards the front of the car. Secure in the upright position using the bungee cord diagonally across the top of the hood, or the piece of string tied around the hood frame by the door.


Work the parcel shelf carpet backwards out of the car and place to one side, do the same with the sound deadening material underneath.


Using the 10mm ratchet spanner undo the 11 bolts that secure the engine bay access panel in the parcel shelf area. Note, if you have a TF there will be 13 bolts, also if you have T-Bar speakers then access to three of them is limited, (hence the ratchet spanner). The panel is a tight fit in the parcel shelf and tends to foul the over centre catches as you try to lift it clear of the car, work it past the catches and it’ll eventually come free. Place the panel safely to one side. Admire your engine! :lol:


OK, now the tricky part.

The basis of this method is to undo the hinges from the boot lid, this will allow the lid to be opened ‘backwards’ a little, pivoting on the latch just enough to allow you to reach into the boot and retrieve the keys. Here’s how it is done.

First off you will be working blind, by feel – I recommend anyone who reads this to study the way the boot hinges bolt to the boot lid as it’ll pay dividends if, (god forbid) you ever find yourself having to try this for real. Also access is very limited, don’t be surprised to find a number of bruises on your arms following this job! Using the 10mm socket on the ratchet, reach into the engine bay and find the 2 bolts that secure the boot hinge, carefully undo them, as i say access is limited (small hands are a bonus!) and be careful not to drop the bolts when the come loose!! Repeat for the other side, but you will probably have to unclip the top of the air filter box and move it out of the way.

Carefully lift the rear of the boot lid, note the hinges are spring-loaded and will try to ‘ping’ upwards (potentially scratching the paintwork on the underside of the boot lid and putting tension on the latch), be prepared for them. Do not be tempted to lift the lid too high as you run the risk of bending the bootlid by the latch, also you are limited to how high you can go by the wiring loom on the passenger side hinge (to the lock, boot light and high level brake light).

Retrieve the keys and unlock the boot. Or, if the boot is full, reach in and using the open end of the ratchet spanner, trip the lock release lever towards the driver’s side (the latch will be under tension because the boot lid is raised and therefore will be difficult to trip by hand, lever it across against the lock box).

Put the key in the ignition to stop you locking in the boot again during the reassembly!!! ;)

With the boot unlocked you can now start to reassemble the car. Re-fitting the bootlid is tricky on your own because the hinges are now pointing upwards – ideally collar a passer-by and ask them to take the weight of the lid whilst you bolt it back onto the hinges. Bolt it on roughly, and then adjust the boot lid alignment before nipping the bolts up.

Work the engine bay panel back into the parcel shelf, make sure the hard top wiring isn’t trapped under the cover in the engine bay (easily done!) then replace the 11 (13) bolts, Important – it is very easy to strip the threads on these bolts, as a guide, no more than finger tight + half a turn. Note if you have a TF, the additional 2 bolts secure the engine bay braces, do these ones first and make sure the braces are lined up underneath the engine bay panel using the engine bay opening / slot in the boot. These 2 bolts can be done up tightly.

Insert the sound deadening material, and then work the carpet into place, ensuring the hard top wiring is accessible. Do not tuck the edges in yet; you need to put the rear of the hood back first ;)

Undo the string / unclip the bungee cord and lower the rear of the hood. Enter the cabin and reach into the parcel shelf area, fasten the 5 over centre catches, starting with the middle one and working outwards. Finally lower the hood and refit your windstop (if you have one).

Job done - Phew! :D
 

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So it can be done!!! I must now apologise to my mate...arrr well..It is good to be proved wrong and i am now glad you posted this to be honest as i am now relieved that a thief would not try to do this......

My faith in MG security has no been restored. Thank You :)
 

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Yep, but it takes ages and you end up with bruises on your forearms like this (bit like Grasshoper in the 60s/70s TV show 'Kung Fu'! :lol: )

 

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I have a far easier way of getting into the boot (and far safer) Just get a spare key cut (useless for driving as you would need a spare blipper) and using a hacksaw remove the black plastic part. This leaves you with a very thin key that will fit in your wallet/purse (something you never put in the boot basically) Its great if your dropping someone off and don't want to get out the car and switch off the ignition just to fetch a bag from the boot (just make sure they hand the key back)
 

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