Does this mean the RD60 is cancelled?

MGR moved DEV0.

 

Well.......

It means that if they keep it then they've gotta find some company to finnish the car/project

so either way they will be loosing the people because they've got people working there thry dont need.

and yes theres a very good chance there wont be the RDX60, but if there is and they keep the name, the car wont be the same as i and u know it to be

Thanx again
Gerard

 

OK, lets assume that TWR cannot complete their work so MGR move the work to another company why would that mean less people are needed at MGR?

I'm sorry I just dont understand

 

Is this public knowledge or was your dad told in confidence ? If the latter he may end up being sacked because of this thread . . . :err: I think you should clarify this with your dad, if it isn't too late already . . . :err:

regards, :beer:

 

OK, lets assume that TWR cannot complete their work so MGR move the work to another company why would that mean less people are needed at MGR?

I'm sorry I just dont understand

Doesn't make sense to me either. :wtf: We already know about the contractors being laid off, and why. Gerard, are you sure this isn't just hearsay?

 

Perhaps they have enough capacity in Poland.

 

Jezza
I don't follow, are we talking about jobs at TWR or Rover. If Rover are talking Longbridge?

Cheers
Mega.

 

the way i understood it, was that RDX60 was in final design stages anyway, so the fact that TWR were going into liquidation wouldn't make much difference to the project, as most of the work was already completed.

I can't see how this would have any affect on MGR's own workforce. MGR certainly wouldn't let this get in the way of the project. I think they can even be quoted as saying so.

 

is this simply not the demise of project DRIVE as previously reported on the forum?

 

There is far to much rumour sourounding this issue and very little FACT.

The last OFFICIAL thing that I heard was that TWR had gone into receivership (very different to Liquidation) and was looking for a buyer. The Arrows collapse happened some months ago now and has very little bearing on the issue, as I undersatnd it TWR are very much a going concern.

Take a look at their website, they have operations all over the world and have their fingers in very many pies. This approach should have protected them if one or two of their ventures did not work out.

88% of the TWR workforce work in the road car area, the Arrows situation should not impact this work!?

 

Intruiging....

This is complete conjecture, but I can think of several possble senarios, from bad to better.

Unlikely, but ...
MGR have been adversly effected by TWR demise and have gone on a rationalisation drive.

But according to Gerards' email the job losses are at TWR.

I think this is the most likely scenario.
We know MGR have transfered at least some work to another firm. This will lead to job losses at TWR (subcontractors?) and the receivers will usually want to rationalise the firm to reduce costs and to make TWR more attractive to potential purchasers.

This is less likely but ...
MGR have brought TWR at a knock down price. This ensures RD60 work completion and provides MGR with a development centre to replace Gaydon (which I think is owned Ford). Job rationalisation at MGR and TWR ensues.

Andy

PS Is there a spell checker in this message thing.

 

If MGR were to buy TWR it would be an absolute disaster for TWR.

What car manufacturer in their right mind would give work to TWR knowing that MGR could be poking the company nose in and learning about all their new products?

 

Good point .... well presented.

Though Lotus engineering have been owned by several car manufacturers over the years, including GM.

Andy.

 

Its defo true as my old man came home tonight and said exactly the same thing that redundancies are coming everyone is on a 90 day notice!

 

And No its not a thing that they have been told in confidence!

 

So:-

1) Will people at MGR be losing their jobs?

2) Will people at TWR be losing their jobs?

3) Will people at both MGR and TWR being losing their jobs?

4) Will RD60 be transfered to another design/engineering firm or in house and will this delay the car and will the design alter much?

5) Will RD60 be scrapped altogether?

If RD60 is being transfered to another company or in house, then surely MGR will NOT make anyone redundant? The only reason I can think of if a lot of people are made redundant is that RD60 is being scrapped. If this is the case, then good bye MGR. They will die simple as that. No new metal = falling sales = higher losses.

I really hope all of this has been blown right out of proportion.

 

Worrying. I have a theory on what's going on, but I'm not going to put it into words here.

 

Obviously there are some big changes afoot. I cant believe that work on the RD60 has been terminated, that would mean that MGR are throwing in the towel. Lets hope they arent ready to do that yet.

However do you think there may be some things happening in connection with Poland???? Its all been very quiet since they said they were 85% of the way towards an agreement.

 

Car companies are generally very secretive about their business and who can blame them? It seems to me that MGR are rationalising their business and cutting overheads! We don't know who if any one will be getting the chop. We are all assuming that a load of engineers may be going and thus putting RDX60 in doubt! As we all know it's gonna be a whole year (min) until RDX60 comes on line and a heck of a lot can happen in 12 months. Can MGR afford to keep everyone on until sales pick up when RDX60 is on sale? Doubt it myself.

Most likely cost cutting due to poor sales.

Come on King Arthur what's your theory??????

 

Car companies are generally very secretive about their business and who can blame them? It seems to me that MGR are rationalising their business and cutting overheads! We don't know who if any one will be getting the chop. We are all assuming that a load of engineers may be going and thus putting RDX60 in doubt! As we all know it's gonna be a whole year (min) until RDX60 comes on line and a heck of a lot can happen in 12 months. Can MGR afford to keep everyone on until sales pick up when RDX60 is on sale? Doubt it myself.

Most likely cost cutting due to poor sales.

Come on King Arthur what's your theory??????

 

OK I'll put forward a theory.

Fact - MGR sales are down, especially in Europe, and with war threatening likely to fall further.

Fact - sales of the 45 / ZS are down to a trickle.

Fact - TWR are in administration and the RD60 project is behind schedule.

Therefore (and here the conjecture starts):

Manufacture of 45 / ZS is to cease forthwith in the interests of cost saving. Maybe the line can be moved to Poland, maybe not, but either way that model is history.

Substantial layoffs at Longbridge to accommodate reduced voumes.

Announcement that the RD60 is to become a joint venture of MGR and Tata. Further development work to be undertaken at Tata i.e. completion of productionisation, building of production facilities, and (ultimately) full-scale manufacture.

OK just a theory guys.

 

Or:

- The 45/ZS production is moved to Poland (Better for Europe)
- The 45/ZS will be enhanced overthere to lengthen it's life (new Dash etc.)
- The RD60 will be developed as a black-box by a third party. (No MGR developers needed anymore)

 

Seems to be a lot of speculation and not that much fact. As TWR are still operating as company why should it have a great effect on the new 45 Project?. Moving the work somewhere else is probably prudent given as they dont know who will buy TWR. Companies make people redundant for a variety for reasons, when a project ends or they want to reorganise and become more efficent. As for the contractors mentioned that could simply be due to the state of the job market.

Last year I was made redundant from an IT outsoucing company because the customer who I worked for decided that thier IT costs were far too much. They had a mixture of their own employess, employess from the outsourcing company and some independent contractors. They decided to employ everyone directly and with some reorganisation lose over a third of the IT workforce. The independent contractors they wanted to retain were offered permenent jobs at less than half their contracting rates. A few years ago these contractors would have told the company to stuff it and go somewhere else but given the appaling state of the IT job market they little choice but to accept.

 

ZT V8 260

All very illuminating. Have today recieved a reply from MG Rover about V8 260. I quote "a revaluation of business programmes has meant that delivery of the ZT260 is expected later this year, probably in November rather than any previosly communicated date" Disapointing!!! BAR

 

Is hope the 75 has not passed the 8-year lifecycle when they implement the V8.

Just like the 45/ZS. The Honda Domani is a 1992 car. In 2002 it got a V6. (And the 425 was already shown in 1997!!)