If you're only after subtle bass then why would you need a 12" sub?
A 10" sub will more than suffice and may give you tighter bass than a 12" as they tend to be slower.
If you want to save money then I suggest not buying from Ebay and rather buy a package from somwhere like http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk or http://caraudiosecurity.com/

At least that way you will almost get everything you need and a half decent package that should work together.

 

I just thought 12" was most common tbh. I'm looking at www.caraudiocentre.co.uk at the mo actually. Thinkin about one of the bass box deals. The 12" ones seem to be better deals than the 10". Or do you think I'm better just buying an enclosed active sub.

 

www.talkaudio.co.uk Look in the classifieds. good quality second hand gear for unbelievable prices. Bought my sub from there, should be £315, got it for £150!

 

If you're only after subtle bass then why would you need a 12" sub?

Agreed... an 8 should actually suffice, and maybe even a 6.. you could then look at mounting them up front too.

A 10" sub will more than suffice and may give you tighter bass than a 12" as they tend to be slower.

Myth! If you're playing a 50Hz bass note, how fast is the sub going? 50 oscillations per second... There is actually no hard and fast rule over whether a 10 or a 12 will be louder/"faster"/more responsive... it comes down to sub, power and application.

If you want to save money then I suggest not buying from Ebay and rather buy a package from somwhere like http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk or http://caraudiosecurity.com/

How will buying new stuff save money? lol. CAD are great, but there are a number off threads around the web questioning CAS's customer service.. infact, one such thread came up today...

Don't forget to check out the talkaudio exchange too - many great bargains to be had.

What sort of budget are you talking about, and what type of music do you want to play on it?

Cheers

Mark

 

How will buying new stuff save money?

No, you seem to have missed my point. :eyes: I was refering to new stuff on Ebay. There is a load of crap floating about on Ebay which may look good to a novice, but is in actual fact a load of pants.

I never said that buying second hand wasn't an option and could save you money. I meant that a lot of deals for new stuff on Ebay are a load of crap and unless you know what you are buying it's better to get it from somewhere that actually sells half decent stuff in the first place. At least you can send it back. :=p:

 

No, you seem to have missed my point. :eyes: I was refering to new stuff on Ebay.

How did I miss your point? You didn't mention that you were referring to new stuff only, you just dismissed ebay out of hand.... Even if you were just referring to new items, there are plenty of bargain new items to be had on there.

I agree that there's lots of cr4p, cheap stuff on there.. but you didn't say that, and that's not how I read your post.

 

Don't have another arguement!!

 

Don't have another arguement!!

Yeh, mulletboy2 why don't you just go and f..k yourself. All you seem to wanna do is knock everybody elses advice and make assumptions on what they say or what they know and I'm tired of your s..t. Just stop being a self righteous prick.

You ain't no friggin' Einstein and you don't know everything. I'm only trying to help the guy out, but all you wanna do is diss everyone elses advice if you decide it's not right.
If you wanna help someone out just tell them what you think and don't give everyone else a hard time.

I don't normally make posts like this and I apologise to other members, but this guy has gotta be one of the most annoying tits on this forum.:2c:

 

Thanks guys. Any1 heard a vibe cbr10 active sub? Looks a solid bit of kit. Plus caraudiocentre have it for £99.99 seems a good deal. Plus if I got for an enclosed unit I wont be pissin on 2 much if i remove it. But its about a decent bass increase for the cash so wot u guys think?

O btw dealt with caraudiocentre b4, got really good customer service tbh.

 

Thanks guys. Any1 heard a vibe cbr10 active sub? Looks a solid bit of kit. Plus caraudiocentre have it for £99.99 seems a good deal. Plus if I got for an enclosed unit I wont be pissin on 2 much if i remove it. But its about a decent bass increase for the cash so wot u guys think?

O btw dealt with caraudiocentre b4, got really good customer service tbh.

Yes mate I have that sub and it does a damn good job of bangin' out the bass.

My bro has 2 in his car, but one is enough. I paid £135 for mine and I thought that was cheap!
£99 is a stonking price. If you're on a budget then I think you could do worse and I think you'll be pleased with the VIBE.

Mulletboy will be along any minute though to trash anything I've said and will most likely make remarks to the contrary.

 

I don't normally make posts like this and I apologise to other members, but this guy has gotta be one of the most annoying tits on this forum.:2c:

You dont like him because he CORRECTS you :2c:

So :tacpb: the man knows his stuff and if he disagrees with you, then so be it, its called an informed opinion

sorry Ashy but I have read several posts of yours and find your knowledge of all things car audio to be self righteous too, being brand biased etc because you have it so it must be good, I'm sure you're a nice guy but it often comes across as "Mr Know-it-all" when you are challenged

just my observation, feel free to ignore it
Matt

(sorry for butting into this, but I feel some balance was needed)

 

Bollox...how can I be brand biased, I don't knock any other brand if aint tried it and who the f..k is this guy to 'CORRECT' me as you put it.
I'm putting up my advice as I see is right not rubbishing someone elses all the time and making comments on it.

The guy gets on my tits and just tries to belittle everyone elses opinion and that's it. If you want to mutually toss each other off that's fine, but just butt out of my face in future cuz I can't be assed with either of you now. You've crossed the friggin' line.

I hope this whole thread gets deleted anyway.

 

Yes, a 10" sub is deffinitely all you would need for sure. My mate has a 10" sub with amp built in in his 200 and I have a 12" +amp in mine, there isn't much difference in all honesty, if you wanted to go all out with the bass and attempt to blow your knob off then you'd obviously stand a much better chance with a 12", but I feel a 12" is wasted as I'll never get the most out of it anyway, unless playing 'beat the chav'.

Aswell as CAD I also recommend this place http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/home.html you can get some really great cheap deals on there.

On a side note, from what I've seen on the forum, Ashy has somehow got himself a bad reputation among members of the forum and is constantly slagged off because of it, regardless as to whether or not his points are fair/valid/true or not. Very much with Ashy on this one.

 

I personaly got 2 x 12" 1200watt max Sony Xplod subs dont find them enouth!
but probably cus i only got 280wat max subs!
m8 just look for a good deal and make sure the RMS of the amp is atleast slightly under the power of the sub hear pioner subs got a great sound specialy the 10" seems to be a crais! but just look for a good deal if ur not after comp sound system just got for a deal! halfords were offering 2 x 10" subs in incloser with amp for 99 quid! seems like an alright deal not sure if its still going was a tube. but ive heard good thing!
also 6"9's a nice set with reasonable amp give nice bass. i have a set of kenwood 6"9's not sure on the exsact model i paid 89 quid for em! and they give off a heafty bass tone! and there 3 way so you get everything else aswell!
dont have to look just to subs for a nice bass tone!

 

On a side note, from what I've seen on the forum, Ashy has somehow got himself a bad reputation among members of the forum and is constantly slagged off because of it, regardless as to whether or not his points are fair/valid/true or not. Very much with Ashy on this one.

Thanks for the back up JTG. I wasn't aware I had a bad rep. It's just in this section of the forum. The guys in the rest are spot on, but you just get one guy who thinks because he knows it all he owns that particular section of the forum and no one elses advice/opinion accounts for anything if he doesn't agree with it and ends up rubbishing your posts.

It just got the point where my patience ran out with this guy and I'd had enough of being belittled, so I bit back. Maybe it was a little OTT, but I don't take crap like that in real life, so I aint gonna take it in a forum.

I'll give him his due he does know his stuff, but he goes about it the wrong way when he disagrees with someone else. I do me best to help people out with what I know and I don't need someone coming along and giving me crap for it.
I hate getting in to these arguments cuz it's not constructive and not what it's all about, but sometimes you just get rubbed up the wrong way.

 

Maybe it was a little OTT

A /little/ OTT?

Hey, if you don't like being corrected, perhaps you shouldn't bother posting your opinions. Another internet warrior is exactly what this forum DOESN'T need. "I don't take crap like that in real life, so I aint gonna take it in a forum" :rotflmao:

I posted my opinion, and that's that... People will make up their own mind who's right and who isn't. If I see someone giving what I think is bad advice, I'll chime in and offer my own opinions... it's the people who can't stand someone having a different opinion that cause the problem.

I'm sorry if I rub you up the wrong way, but tbh, I couldn't give a monkey's. I haven't given you any cr4p for it - just contradicted you, which hurts your pride in some gay masculinity type way. Tough!

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The guy gets on my tits and just tries to belittle everyone elses opinion and that's it

Read through my past posts and I think you'll find that's very much NOT it. I've helped out a number of people, and received much thanks because of it. Infact, I don't even own a Rover anymore.. I come on here to help people, hopefully dispell a few myths (as I was trying to do with your post), and generally be a positive addition to the community. The reason you and I have had run ins, quite frankly, is because you're a smart-**** who thinks your own opinion is the correct one, and can't stand to have someone challenge your opinions... much less do it in public.

It's the internet ffs! If you post something, people are likely to challenge your opinions, ask you to backup what you've said with evidence/anecdotes/etc... and believe it or not, there ARE people around with more knowledge than you... perhaps you should sit down, listen to what people say (not just me btw!), go do some research, and atleast come back with valid arguments/justifications for what you've said, rather than flying off the handle the moment someone dares to question you.
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Mark

P.S - Cheers Matt.

 

Listen dumbass, not once have I challenged your advice nor knocked it or made comments on it to the contrary and rubbished it, however YOU seem to pick and pull at every post I make if you decide it's not to your liking.

I just give my advice as I see fit and let people weigh that up against other peoples advice and then let them do what they want with it. I don't try and force it down their throat by trying to make other people look like idiots cuz I think I'm some sort of god on the forum like you.

Your attitude is personal towards other posters and I don't give a crap whether you have had people thanking you or not, you're still an immature cretin who needs to grow up.

I'm finished with this thread now cuz I don't wanna waste my time and energy on your idiotic replies and it's not doing anyone any good.

P.S. Cheers.

 

I just give my advice as I see fit and let people weigh that up against other peoples advice

That being so, why are you so upset that I've posted an opinion for other people to assess? You clearly don't want your opinion being weighed up against anyone elses, if anyone else's (well, mine more specifically) disagrees with yours.

and who the f..k is this guy to 'CORRECT' me

But you've just said, you don't have a problem with people posting opposing views!

Incidentally, calling someone a "dumbass", "immature cretin", "self righteous prick" and "this guy has gotta be one of the most annoying tits on this forum" (and bearing in mind, that's only one thread), really doesn't help any of your argument... especially not the one about ME being the one getting personal!

I'm done now.

 

Shall we enter ashy and mulletboy2 on to Jerry Springer UK? Let them argue car audio for a hour?

 

I have to apologise for my post of yesterday, it could have been worded more appropriately and didn't mean to get anyone's backs up. I just say it as I see it, which can be interpreted as a load of cr*p more often than not

once again, apologies, dont want any enemies on here

 

Adam,
A good way to find out what you want/need is to listen to other peoples systems.
What one person thinks is good, another will think is pants.
I have a JL12W7 Sub and a JL1000/1 amp in my car which is generally well regarded. My wife however thinks that her sub costing a fraction of the price sounds much better.
What matters is what you think. If you like the way a system sounds then that is what you should buy. Just get out there and listen to as many as you can.

 

If you after a tight punchy bass maybe you should try an Infinity sub. I first looked at the Vibe active one mentioned and was told it would probably have a plodding overblown bass. I know very little, but like yourself I was after just a little bass and got an Infinity Reference 10" 1030W sub, and a CAD value sealed enclosure (not sure I would get a ported enclosure if you are after a little bass). The sub was a steal I got it for only £39.99:bigeyes: Was the cheapest I could find, was quite lucky as they normally are about £60 I think. I glued a few blocks of MDF in the enclosure to tighten up the bass as I think the box was maybe slightly to big anyway (sub requires a 0.75 cubic foot box). I then got a second hand MacAudio 200 watt RMS amp (bridged) to drive it. I have the Infinity Reference 6500cs 6.5" two way components in the front doors using the HP filter on a Vibe Black Box 2 amp. The sound is very, very good for the money IMHO. I looked at reviews on this sub on an American website and it got great reviews for the money. I am very happy with it and I think you would be too. It has a great tight bass that is just right for me. Just a thought as I think Infinity gear is very good for what it is and what it costs, as I guess most of it is aimed at the lower end of the market. Just a thought!

 

Well. Went to halfords yesterday and had a listen 2 my sony hu through the vibe cbr10 and was very impressed. Just gotta get payed this week n I think im gonna order it. Does any1 know of a tutorial on how to wire up a sub? Like the wiring I can do but hiding the wires im guessin will be a pain in the ****. Im sure I saw a tutorial linked on here with some pix etc but cant find it.

 

Whoops my bad. I thought the cbr10 I was looking at was the cbr10 active i should have beenb looking at. No wonder it was so cheap. http://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/have the active one for 139.99 with 16 quid delivery. Some ebay shop has it for 120 with a £5 4 delivery! So still cheap enough

 

A point to note in yesterdays heated debate.
Ashy says that 12 inch subs tend to be slower than 10 inch subs.
Mulletboy says that at 50Hz any sub will oscillate at 50 times a second.

Yes, all subs will move back and forth at 50 times per second with a 50Hz signal but what mulletboy has failed to appreciate is that the cone has to be accelerated from rest, then decelerated and fired back in the opposite direction at 50 times per second.

The motor assembly has a limited amount of control over the cone and the cone has a limited stiffness. All other factors being equal, a 12 inch cone is both heavier and less stiff therefore is more difficult to push and pull. The result is what people refer to as a 12 inch sub being slower.

It is slower....to accelerate and decelerate. This is called transient response.
Try pushing a 2 inch round piece of paper back and forth and then try it with a 12 inch round piece. The result is greatly exagerated, but illustrates the point.
That said, a well designed 18 will be faster than a badly designed 10.