Good news for the residents of Hampshire: another road-going lighthouse menace!

 

lol not quite. its one of my pet hates, people with poorly fitted HID kits or even poorly adjusted standard lights or people driving with main beams on all the time.

i will be fitting mine properly and getting them checked and adjusted after fitting too, even after getting them checked ill probably still turn the dial down a notch or 2.

35watt sounds good to me then found a nice kit on ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-ZR-01-...nd-8000k-/330619880505?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cfa7b0439
for £35.
any opinions on these??

ive just purchased some philips blue vision ultra H7 and H1 bulbs.

the H1's (main beam) are nice and bright and give off a nice crisp white light (obvously not as good as HID)
but the same philips blue vision ultra in H7 (for dipped beams) is not nearly as white as the H1's (although they are slightly whiter than standard osram bulbs i had before)

 

35w HIDs will be fine but 55w will be even brighter.

All the kits are made by the same 2 factorys in china so just go for the cheap £30 eBay jobbies and you'll be fine (you can go to ultra or similar and they just give the same kit a shiny sticker and pretty box and charge over a ton for them.

Id personally go for non-slimline ballasts as these seem to be quite durable and most stories about the ballasts beginning to cycle and fail have mentioned the slimline ones.

 

What are you going to do come MOT time or if stopped by VOSA which can happen?

 

come mot time ill swap back to standard halogen bulbs. ill probably only be using the HID's over the winter, come march ill probably take them out as its much lighter anyway.

thats part of the reason im going for 6000k bulbs and getting them properly fitted and adjusted, to minimise the chance of being stopped for having them.

im even considering going for a 5000k hid kit

if i could get H7 bulbs that give out as much light and as whiter light as my philips blue vision ultra h1's do then i would be happy.

same thing as if i get a de-cat. ill probably have to stick the car back on for mot time

 

....thats part of the reason im going for 6000k bulbs and getting them properly fitted and adjusted,

Be interested to see how you think you are going to achieve that

It will require completely different lamps/lenses (which don't exist for the 25/ZR), the fitting of headlamp washers, and the fitting of a lamp self levelling system with associated suspension/subframe mounted sensors.

Without all that lot, it can't be considered 'properly fitted', and even then, the law will still regard them as illegal because they were not OEM factory fitted. :_poke:

 

Those modifications dont exist for the vast majority of cars on our roads.

 

If you want to be less obvious, go for 4300K bulbs, I'm sure the more militant members on here will still tell you you're related to Satan, but by going for the 4300K bulbs they're a lot less obvious and give a light output colour much closer to standard halogen bulbs.

I've often wondered about using HIDs as mainbeam lights, but I've heard warm up time can be an issue. In saying that, a friend who used them on his E30 had no such warm up time issues and said they worked almost instantaneously.

 

Could be worse though. Some **** on here has HID's in his front foglights (and probably uses them as DRL's too...)

/militant-satanic dislike

 

ok for arguments sake it wont have the washers/wipers/self leveling system or projector lenses, BUT ill do my best to make sure i dont dasle other road users as its one of my pet hates too. 95% of the drivers i see on the roads at night have ill adjusted lights, lights not working, only one headlight or drive with main beams on.

some of them put main beams on to compensate for one of thier dipped beams not working. its madness.

yes there will always be people that call me satan just because i mention "hid's"

yes im bending the rules by fitting hid's and swapping back for mot time, but the way i see it is, if i can see more clearly without blinding other drivers that is only a good thing.
im fully insured with all mods declared, road tax paid mot up to date and car well maintained which seems to be a damn site safer than alot of the other cars i see on the roads.....

 

ok for arguments sake

There is no argument - you will be breaking the law. End of.

yes im bending the rules by fitting hid's and swapping back for mot time, but the way i see it is, if i can see more clearly without blinding other drivers that is only a good thing.

No, you are breaking the law. There is no grey area here.

If you cannot see adequately with well maintained standard halogen lights, I would question the ability of your eyesight - I find the standard halogens show me all that I need to see.

im fully insured with all mods declared,

If you fit illegal HIDs (and therefore render your car unable to pass the MOT test after January 2012), your insurance will be invalid.

 

Fit the HIDs mate

Ive got Hids and lined them up as best I can to not dazzle people

 

just purchased some

 

I dont think I've ever had a problem being dazzled by retrofitted HID's (working around Basingstoke and Soton, I see them quite a bit... )

The problem I get is with these massive 4x4's with projectors. I came across a Merc M class with dazzling white headlights that were just at the right height to blast there way into the car and blind me (unlit country road, vision adjusted to the dark etc. Wasnt pleasant)

And the amount of times I've had one of those ridiculous Land Rover Disco's (with the fairy light DRL's) follow me and light up the inside of the car like an xmas tree...not even the anti dazzle on the mirror can block those out!

So yeah, go for it

 

Meh, i have HID's and i love them...

I couldn't care less to the fact that they are illegal...
there are cars on the road that came with them Stock that are FAR worse then mine, so to have theirs be allowed and mine be illegal just ****** me off.

Yes i dont have self levelers/washers/projectors, but i can 100% guarantee that mine will not dazzle anyone in the face while im behind them, or any on coming traffic.

Which cant be said for my dads new shape Landrover Discovery, blinds the **** out of me, and even my mates new shape Audi S3 blinds the **** out of me, yet mine do not.

ahh well, haters gunna hate lol

 

Hmm mine need realigning on the back of this thread... scared im blinding people when behind somoene

 

Man in the Car got it spot on.

 

Have I missed something? Will HIDs be illegal by January next year? I've just fitted some about a month ago. :S

 

yes they will be, up untill now they have been a bit of a grey area.

however the mot rules have changed regarding HID lights. they have to have a self leveling system, projector lenses (instead of normal reflector)
and also washer/wiper kits too.

 

for people going on about eye sight or legal problems......

lots of people mod thier cars in many ways, some declared some not. you run the same risk (if not more) doing other mods.

lots of people have a de-cat fitted, which is now an MOT failure (they re-fit it for the mot)

lots of people have re-maps done and not declared (again illegal)

so whats the difference??

millions of motorists speed (most on the motorway do above 70mph, which is currently illegal) do they care?? no otherwise they would not do it.

and for info i use quality/premium bulbs, i currently have philips blue vision ultra +30% bulbs fitted in my dipped and main beam lights. the main beams i am happy with both the colour on the road AND the ammount of light given, the dipped H7's on the other hand i find are not satisfactory for me.

before i fitted these philips bulbs i had osram +50% bulbs fitted, these where ok but not as bright as my currentl philips bulbs.

HID's are in a different league all together, and provided that you take all reasonable measures to make sure the HID's are not a hazard to other drivers (which i will do) then i for one have no problem using them.

i have my eyes tested every year (like most of us) and for the past 10 years my eyes have remained unchanged at a fraction under 20/20.


so can we let all this "its illegal" "youll blind other drivers" comments for another day shall we?

i came here asking for recommendations, and to see what kits others are using.
i am fully aware of the illegality of fitting and using aftermarket HID kits

 

i have my eyes tested every year (like most of us) and for the past 10 years my eyes have remained unchanged at a fraction under 20/20.


so can we let all this "its illegal" "youll blind other drivers" comments for another day shall we?

I think you're taking this a little to literal. Its more the fact you will dazzle other drivers, which could impair their vision for a few (vital) seconds.

 

Thanks Keefo and mushymarlin. My MOT was about a week after they were fitted and they didn't even mention them lol. Guess it depends how fussy the garage is!

Every new Audi, BMW and Merc has them now, and they don't blind me.

I know they come factory fitted, but provided aftermarkets are fitted and leveled correctly I can't see a problem?

 

they arnt like normal halogen bulbs, they send out light totally different, thats why you need the Projector fitment on the light units to send the light out correctly.

This is the main thing that causes hids fitted to a car not designed for them to dazzle people.

Simply Fitting and aligning doesn't get the beam pattern to be correct.


I have HID's and they dont dazzle people, but if i aimed my lights to a wall yo would clearly see the light pattern isn't what they are suppose to be.

 

I have lost count of amount of the times when some tit with aftermarket HID's has given me a headache or a migraine.
More than once i have had to pull over and have someone come out to drive my car back home because i simply can't see due to a migraine.

They are not legal for a reason. They are a menace and a hazard on the roads. They have caused more accidents than you'd believe.

 

I have NEVER been blinded by an aftermarket kit, I find that standard Halogen reflectors tend to "soften" the intense light from an HID bulb, new Audis, BMW and Mercs etc with OEM HIDs always blind me, the beam from OEM projector beam HID lights are so small and focussed that they are brighter and give me retinal burns everytime one approaches me...

 

Keyboard HID Warriors haha...

Their car, whether they break the rules or not, let the man do what he wants to do.

Should he get away with it... then fair enough. Should he get stopped with it... then fair enough.

Anytime ANY HID thread comes on here... its the same people with their facts/opinions/experience sending out the message... if he wants to run the risk.. then let him!

 

Anytime ANY HID thread comes on here... its the same people with their facts/opinions/experience sending out the message... if he wants to run the risk.. then let him!

it's also always the same people who do not seem to comprehend the meaning of the word 'illegal'

 

My area is looked after by the Essex police, who won't give me that option, trust me. :lol:

 

Quick Q
Would hids be ok in my angel eyes as they got a projector lens? dont shot me just asking

 

Nope! halogen projectors are totally different to hid projectors Im afraid!

 

some people dont half moan

 

Looks good i might have to look about doing it 4743hudsonj could you tell me more why?

I was thinking of using my rear screen washer pipe (non longer being used) adding it to the front add some jets sorted

 

and get self leveling suspention...... and somehow get the whole lot "E" marked which is where we run into problems, with enough modification we can do all that is required to run HID kits BUT we cant get them "E" approved

 

No worries cheers for all the help sorry for hijack it cleared thinks up

 

Lol... Man In The Car negative rep'd me on this thread as it " is reckless to promote something illegal" or some other crap

 

I would have thought the forum rules wouldn't allow discussion of it, just the same as you have to say that you were on a private road if you say you are speeding

 

can someone answer me this then......... if HID lights are SOOOOOO un-required like you all seem to be sujesting then WHY are new cars being fitted with them??

dont give me any rubbish about "being more energy efficient" as they use 35watts instead of the 55watts of halogens.
at the end of the day its 40watts difference which makes begger all difference. considering the washers, wipers and leveling motors would use power (which would not be required on halogen lights)

its not about saving money either (as they are more expencive to produce (including the projector lenses and all the other things they require)

that leaves the possibility of:

improved styling.....
improved safety......
improved light on the road.......

take your pick....... all the other mods we do to our cars are for the same reasons (with the exception of performance)