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Hi, just wanted your expert opnion on a Seat Toledo, 1.8 20v. Just wondered if you'd had any experience with them, or if you knew how reliable they are/aren't?

Any info you could give me would be appreciated, cheers.
 

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German build quality and components make the Toledo the basis of a good car.


The only bad points to watch out for are coil-pack problems, on the ignition system. Many units would have failed and been replaced with improved units but this is not guaranteed....

Cambelts tend to break at 70K unless they are changed at 60,000 miles or so. Bit of a tricky job aswell.....

This following script comes from Honest John's website, under the car-by-car breakdown.

What's Good

Golf IV-based family saloon. Really good looking in the manner of the Alfa 156. Much sportier than Skoda Octavia, using lessons learned on the Skoda. Better steering and handling than Golf IV and Bora due to 15in alloys with 195/65 tyres, stiffer four-door body and softer suspension settings. Good ride quality, comfortable, rattle-free, galvanised body with 12-year warranty; otherwise 3-year unlimited mileage warranty. 170bhp V5 has a perfect set of gear ratios and is lot of car for £16,995. But 52 mpg TDI S 110 with standard aircon and alloys was the best buy. Good, friendly dealers. Joint 3rd top make in 2002 'Which?' reliability survey cars 2000 - 2002. 180bhp 20VT Sport model from Spring 2003 at £14,995 comes with TCS, ESP EBA and a radio/CD player. TDI PD 130 diesels available in Uk from July 2003. TDI PD 150 Sport models from November 2003. SEAT using Toledo body for its BTCC racers in the 2004 season. RECOMMENDED.

SEAT forum: www.SEATenthusiasts.co.uk

SEAT generally 2nd lowest average warranty repair costs in 2003 Warranty Direct Reliability index (index 39.83 v/s lowest 31.93) SEAT 5th top top of Reliability Index for 2004 combining very average cost of repair of £328.32 with 22.69 failures per 100 Warranty Direct policies. Link:- www.reliabilityindex.co.uk

What's Bad

Deep boot, but you have to post your luggage through a narrow slit. V5 gives nice, progressive power but lacks the grunt of the old VW VR6. Drain holes in door bottoms can get blocked with wax and waterproof door membranes can lift, leading to ingress of water into car. 1.8 20v engines are snapping their timing belts at 70,000 - 80,000 miles and the extensive damage this causes is not repairable. The car will need a replacement engine. 1.8 20v timing belt drives waterpump and belts are difficult to replace on transverse engines. 1.8 20Vs also suffering problems with air mass sensors which cost around £200 to replace. All 1.8 20V turbos built from around August 2001 to October 2002 can suffer from failure of one or more of the four ignition coils, which lead to a dispute butween VAG and a supplier and asevere shortage of coils from November 2002 to January 2003. Toledo TDI 110s could also suffer same ECU problem as Golf Mk IV TDI 110. VAG acknowledges a fault with the ECU (038 906 018 BM) and specifies an upgraded unit (038 906 018 GQ) at £695.00 + VAT. According to VAG technical, this problem will eventually occur with all ECUs of this part number, so a second hand part may only be only a short term cure. Intermittent power loss on TDI 90s and 110s may be due to one of the following:- sticking turbo due to dirty oil; dirty or faulty mass airflow sensor; exhaust gas recircularion solenoid valve sticking open; wastegate valve actuator rod sticking; faulty throttle switches; faulty temperature sensor; loose or leaking brake servo pipe or turbo boost pipe from fuel pump to turbo; faulty ECU.

Don't read too much into all of this - these are the worst-case scenarios..
 

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wow what a reply, was just expecting 'yeah they're quite good' or 'nah load of rubbish stay clear' lol cheers :)

The cambelt thing doesn't worry me too much really cos i'd never wait till 70K miles before having it changed. The one i'm considering is the 1.8 20v SE. I'm off to have a look at one or two tomorrow and perhaps a test drive. If i like and i can get a good deal i may be after one when the new toledo arrives (old style, cos price will drop).

Again thanks for the great post, very helpful.
 

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What does anyone make to a fiat marae?
Same engine as fiat coupe but minus the turbo isnt it?

This lecturer was talking cars, and hes got one, but replaced with an alfa 166 2.5 v6, seems to love his cars, says the fiat was a real street sleeper...

Any good?
 

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The Marea is indeed a very under rated car. Personally I only like the looks of the estate though.

Yes the engine is the same base unit as the Coupe and comes with the same expensive issues when changing the cambelt (like removing the engine).
 

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lol yeah i remember that, i very nearly bought a fiat coupe as they were rediculously cheap, then i realised why they were all being sold at around the 50K mark which must have been around about when a cam belt was getting close to being changed.
 

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I've had a Fiat Marea 1.8 ELX sedan before the Vi. It's a great car, very underrated indeed. It looks very good imho, interieur is very kewl with the integrated stereo system. It has climate control and the engine is very smooth. Building quality is very good actually (something I didn't expect from a Fiat). The only thing I didn't like is the steering: it's very light. Handy when you're driving in the city, but annoying on the motorway (especially when it's windy).
 

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Electrical problems rife on some. It plagued my sisters old Toledo GT and they never could sort it. Something to do with the ABS they reckoned, and ended up replacing it with another Toledo (which she propmptly augered into a Saab, which shows that even working ABS won't save most women).

Incidentally, the Saab was undamaged and the Seat was mullered - front end totally squidged in. Total write off.

I quite liked it though, but found the seats gave me ar5e ache after half an hour. Typical VW group wooden church pews covered in cloth.

New Toledo was a great idea - take the rear end that has virtually destroyed Renault in the large car market (not that they sold many there anyway) and slap it on to an already finished design. Looks odd to say the least.

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then i realised why they were all being sold at around the 50K mark which must have been around about when a cam belt was getting close to being changed.
Yep, that's the one.

£1500 bill from the dealer or half that from a specialist :(

Then again the JTD Marea weekend is one car I would consider if I ever had the need for an oil burner with space.
 

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Well it looks like i won't be getting a toledo for at least another year. Went and had a look around yesterday found a few i liked so i thought i'd find out how much i'd get for the ZS. They most they would offer me was £4500!!!!! It cost me double than that only a year ago and is only just 2 years old!!!!!

At the minute i am regretting the day i ever signed up for a MGR, you might as well sit at home and throw money on the fire. As soon as it's economically sensible i shall be getting shut of the ZS and i doubt very much i'll ever buy a rover again.
 

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Don't be too hard on MGR. depreciation is murdering second hand values of all mass market cars at the moment. £4500 buys a 2 year old Mondieu that cost £14500 new, or a similar Vectra, or a Focus. £4600 bought me a 5400 mile old 406, so MGR aren't talone in this sad affliction. Cos of the low mileage I plan to keep the 406 for at least 5 years so not such an issue but those buying new might just as well give all their money to the chief mooney if their in the habit of trading in and buying new again in another 2 years time.

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Yep, don't buy a new car if you don't want to lose the money.

The ZS depreciation is not really any worse than it's competition with the odd exception. In fact it is better than some in it's class.

Absolutely no intention of selling our ZS for at least another 4-5 years at which point we will have had our monies worth out of it.
 

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I didn't buy a new car, i bought it second hand, one year old for £9K and it's now worth £4.5K. Sorry but i don't know of many other cars that depreciate like that! Next year i'll be paying them to take it off me!!
 
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