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Hi to all!

I had a small hole in my 19 years old expansion tank, and instead of repairing it, I decided to buy a new one from Rimmer. The new one arrived and it comes with two aluminum reinforcement pieces for the two holes. The thing is, in my old expansion tank there are those pieces, but I'm not able to remove them because they are very tight to the plastic. But in the new one, the pieces are loose. If I mount these pieces, for sure they will fall into the hoses and will end up in the engine...

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Has anyone here had these troubles before?
there is a special way to mount the aluminum reinforcements? maybe applying hot air to the plastic?
or did you mount without them?

Thanks for your help guys!
 

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Perhaps the plastic outlets/header tank casing is not as sturdy as the originals and this aluminium ( not stainless steel?) sleeve is desirable due to this.
Consideration:- leave the pieces in, but put a jubilee clip over the hose around the plastic area, and another one on the hose where the metal tube extends into the hose. Neither can then move.
Opinions vary, but I wouldn’t not use the sleeve, since the plastic outlet may not be strong enough ( on this replacement tank) to withstand the compressive force of the jubilee clip.
The original expansion tank has these aluminum pieces also, but they are tight. In the photos I just presented the piece is partly fitted, they should be fully fitted as in the original tank, so 2 clips don't not helps, thanks for your thoughts anyway!
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It cannot be right for the pieces to be loose and they will be there for a reason. I would check with Rimmers in case this is a manufacturing fault. Mine are tight in.
Mine are tight also in the original one, but the replacement one seems not as good quality as the original... and those pieces are not the size they should be...
 

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I agree check with Rimmers first, but have you tried inserting the sleeve and then put a clip on the spigot and just nip it up to see if it grips the sleeve? If Rimmers say it's OK and your still not happy you could return the item or stick them in with a smear of 2 pack.
Rimmer just says if I'm not happy just return the item, but it will cost more for me than keeping it. The problem is that I'm not in the UK, I spent 50€ in shipping and 50€ in customs to get the item. If I return it I have to pay 50€ more for shipping. So I'm afraid that returning the item is not an option :(
 

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I would take photos and email Rimmers again. Ask them if the item is of merchantable quality; if not, they cannot possibly sell the item to another customer. Frankly, they should send you a straight replacement at zero cost (therefore zero Spanish customs).

I spend £100's with Rimmers every year - whether you do or do not spend a lot of money with them, they should step up and send you a free replacement. I would expect nothing else.

More and more one reads/sees on You tube more crap car parts appearing, even within official supply chains. The quality is getting worse in my view - poor manufacture and no quality control.
I spent more than 3000€ in the last 6 years in Rimmer Bross, never happened something similar to me, also the last time I had a lot of trouble with the shipping cost, they literally lied to me... I'm very disappointed with Rimmer in that last order.
 

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Sorry pisxa but I cannot agree with your logic that a tightened jubilee clip over the hose won’t result in a tight fit of the sleeve into the plastic of the header tank. As Deepfat says - you have to try it before discounting your logic that it will not work - it might or indeed it might not ( as you claim) but you need to try it first.
On the other hand, I agree with Julian that parts are often replicated ‘in general form’ , but important operational detailing can be overlooked/ ignored.
Sorry Austin2297, maybe I don't understand you but leaving the pieces inside and taking the risk that they go into the engine is not an option for me. And don't use that pieces and take the risk that the plastic outlets/header tank casing will be broken because they are not sturdy is neither a good option for me. Thanks anyway for your thoughts.
 

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Even if the two aluminum sleeves are not a tight fit out of the box, once you put the hoses on and install the hose clamps, the expansion tanks' plastic pipes are going to squeeze the aluminum reinforcement pieces and they are not going to move. If you are concerned, put a small dab of glue on the aluminum reinforcement pieces and reinsert into the plastic pipes before installing the hoses on the pipes.
The expansion tanks' plastic pipes are NOT going to squeeze because the plastic is hard plastic. I tried at home with an old hose and spare clamp and the aluminum sleeves are still loose. I'm not sure that glue will stand there with the hot coolant and pressure. Instead of doing this kind of workaround, I think I prefer to repair the old expansion tank plugging the leak. But the idea was to buy a new expansion tank to avoid botched jobs or workarounds.

Has anybody bought this expansion tank from Rimmer and had these issues?

I wrote, again, Rimmer, I'm waiting for their answer, I'll keep you posted.
 

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Maybe someone on here works for Rimmers or Rimmers may even be a member on here under another name, who knows. I do know that companies today who don't monitor social media about themselves or the market they work in are at a disadvantage.
Personally, I feel it's about time Rimmers stepped up and offered a solution or at the very least an explanation of how this item is designed? to work. Perhaps pisxa should make Rimmers aware of this thread and the resultant negative publicity they are getting.
Their answers are a little bit poor... but at least they say that they are going to talk to the supplier. Hopefully next week they'll give me a solution. I'll keep you posted. I think this is important because our plastic expansion tanks are too old and they have an "expiration date", so sooner or later all of us will have this problem. Before buying from Rimmer I looked for other options because the Rimmer one was the most expensive with shipping and customs (I'm in Spain).

The other options that I found:
- Use a new VAG expansion tank, looking for the internet I found people that use it, and with few modifications, it works. (I discarded it because I prefer the MG original part)

- Use an aluminum expansion tank. I see in social networks even people that created their own.
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After one week of waiting for Rimmer answer (they said 2-3 working days) this is their nonsense supplier answer:

The tanks are no longer produced by the OEM so we have a kitting operation that adds the inserts in a poly bag for the dealer / customer to fit.
The moulder of the tanks – provides the tank with any internal floats fitted, but they cannot add the inserts.
So for many years we have serviced the metal inserts in a poly bag.
We did for a short while try to fit them but this is a labour intensive operation based on the volume we produce and some inserts could fall out whilst in transit or storage.


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this is not a Rimmer answer, this is a Rimmer's supplier answer.
Rimmer said they will insist on looking for an answer.
 

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Seems this is the final answer from Rimmer:

Thank you for your email.
Our supplier have recommended slightly distorting the inserts by tapping them on the outside, this will allow them to provide an interference fit into the tank.


I think I have to tap a lot and distort a lot this insert to create interference. Judge by yourselves.

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Yeah, that insert is completely the wrong size. I agree with D4KGP that Rimmer provide a refund, or at the least, send you another one at no cost. Have you sent that picture to Rimmer?

I took a look at my F's original expansion tanks, which was replaced when I installed a B&G low coolant alarm, and it does not have metal inserts at the hose connections.
Yes, I sent all the pictures to Rimmer.
Install it without the metal insertions is also an option... but I don't know if in the future the plastic will break because of fatigue. I think if those inserts are there will be for some reason. How much time or km has your new tank fitted without inserts?

That aluminium insert looks like stainless to me but it's not in front of me, the whole thing looks to be a complete bodge and therefore not of merchantable quality. Tell Rimmers that you want a full refund and that they should cover any return costs that you may pay. Or maybe their mechanics could fix it when its returned. Afterall, they make enough profit out of us. Regards and good luck. D4KGP.
I guess is aluminum because is not magnetic.

Thanks to all for your thoughts, I'll keep you posted if finally I get a solution from Rimmer.
 

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Finally, I fit the expansion tank, I toke the Austin2297 advice and look for a local mechanical workshop, and they provide a suitable fitting piece of stainless pipe.

Regarding Rimmer, they finally wrote me proposing a return of the tank with a full refund including customs duties.
 
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