no idea if it will help, but have you tried searching/asking on expatforum.com ??
Encountering legal problems
Howdy people!
Been feeling a bit down lately as I encounter problem after problem with the paperwork trying to register the MGF. It's a right pain for cars over 10 years of age due to a new law that was approved about a month ago (2 weeks before I inquired about registration)
Anyway... as usual with these kind of things... it's al ldown to a signature or two of a perosn being satisfied I've all the correct paperwork and by his/her terms and interpretation of the law the car can be roadworthy and legal they can then sign the papers and start the process.
I've had very bad feelings and it's all down to a new EU law stating that older cars cannot be registered due to emissions and polution. Sounds bullcrap to me since this car is becoming a classic and it's lways to personal use for a personal collection. If they can allow reregistering vehicles on historic plates, don't see why they wouldn't allow a CAT car that has lower emissions than newish cars round here!
Anyway... looking at different options... one of them would be to keep the plates, and transfer the car over within UK, so that would mean having it at a UK address. Which is not a problem since my mother's side of the family is English I have a few possibilities. This way, I'd have to get UK insurance ad of course would have to go on an MOT every year. This would secure some of you people seeing me every at least once a year as I'd have to come for sure to UK.
Now, the car has been without ah MOT for a few years (minimum 2) so I'm not sure if it's possible to even insure the car, drive it through France and as soon as I enter the country get an MOT passed. I believe oyu can tax cars online and get the disc sent home, right? Not sure if on 'the computer system' the MGF will be on 'most wanted police list' and if I get pulled over, car confiscated and crushed since it has been untaxed and unMOT'd for a few years.
Any thoughts?
Ah.. there was another option... which was some sort of non-profit organisation that looks into all these 'stupid' EU laws and can overrule them. I remember reading about some examples of people havign trouble reregistering a car and having problems and they'd sort them out in a few weeks or months. ANyone knows what I'm talking about? A google search for 'european claim court car' won't show me the result I'm after.
Many thanks!
Been feeling a bit down lately as I encounter problem after problem with the paperwork trying to register the MGF. It's a right pain for cars over 10 years of age due to a new law that was approved about a month ago (2 weeks before I inquired about registration)
Anyway... as usual with these kind of things... it's al ldown to a signature or two of a perosn being satisfied I've all the correct paperwork and by his/her terms and interpretation of the law the car can be roadworthy and legal they can then sign the papers and start the process.
I've had very bad feelings and it's all down to a new EU law stating that older cars cannot be registered due to emissions and polution. Sounds bullcrap to me since this car is becoming a classic and it's lways to personal use for a personal collection. If they can allow reregistering vehicles on historic plates, don't see why they wouldn't allow a CAT car that has lower emissions than newish cars round here!
Anyway... looking at different options... one of them would be to keep the plates, and transfer the car over within UK, so that would mean having it at a UK address. Which is not a problem since my mother's side of the family is English I have a few possibilities. This way, I'd have to get UK insurance ad of course would have to go on an MOT every year. This would secure some of you people seeing me every at least once a year as I'd have to come for sure to UK.
Now, the car has been without ah MOT for a few years (minimum 2) so I'm not sure if it's possible to even insure the car, drive it through France and as soon as I enter the country get an MOT passed. I believe oyu can tax cars online and get the disc sent home, right? Not sure if on 'the computer system' the MGF will be on 'most wanted police list' and if I get pulled over, car confiscated and crushed since it has been untaxed and unMOT'd for a few years.
Any thoughts?
Ah.. there was another option... which was some sort of non-profit organisation that looks into all these 'stupid' EU laws and can overrule them. I remember reading about some examples of people havign trouble reregistering a car and having problems and they'd sort them out in a few weeks or months. ANyone knows what I'm talking about? A google search for 'european claim court car' won't show me the result I'm after.
Many thanks!
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To tax the car online you will need to have the insurance and the MOT in place first as the DVLA check both the insurance and MOT data bases before you can buy the tax either online or if you buy via the postoffice you need to show them prior to purchase..Now, the car has been without ah MOT for a few years (minimum 2) so I'm not sure if it's possible to even insure the car, drive it through France and as soon as I enter the country get an MOT passed. I believe oyu can tax cars online and get the disc sent home, right? Not sure if on 'the computer system' the MGF will be on 'most wanted police list' and if I get pulled over, car confiscated and crushed since it has been untaxed and unMOT'd for a few years.
If the car is driven on UK roads without insurance, MOT or tax and you get stopped, the police now have the right to crush the car as you say and they are checking all the above on the same data bases that are used to buy your tax online.
Bummer...To tax the car online you will need to have the insurance and the MOT in place first as the DVLA check both the insurance and MOT data bases before you can buy the tax either online or if you buy via the postoffice you need to show them prior to purchase..
If the car is driven on UK roads without insurance, MOT or tax and you get stopped, the police now have the right to crush the car as you say and they are checking all the above on the same data bases that are used to buy your tax online.
Another kick in the teeth...
Surely as the car is already registered in an EU country then all you are doing is moving it's location within the EU?
It's not as if it is a car foreign to the EU, like from Japan or USA. It's built to EU laws already but from a few years ago when they were different laws.
It's not as if it is a car foreign to the EU, like from Japan or USA. It's built to EU laws already but from a few years ago when they were different laws.
what about putting it in a container and having it shipped to the uk
Those are my thoughts... if it's an EU law, there should be something towards that...Surely as the car is already registered in an EU country then all you are doing is moving it's location within the EU?
It's not as if it is a car foreign to the EU, like from Japan or USA. It's built to EU laws already but from a few years ago when they were different laws.
Problem here is people only act on what they know.. so if they don't know something and can't be bothered to look into it, they just say 'it can't be done'.
A solution would be to take it to the mainland in Girona, Catalunya, where there's an MOT centre and engineers that say 'yes' to it all, but need to insure it and of course take it there.
My main problem is down to a signature of a person... and everyone is too pathetic/thick/can't be bothered... I'm also considering something to give 'em under the table, but since corruption has been so bad here in Mallorca it's scared a lot of politicians and those who depend on politicans. It's a nightmare and all these stupid laws will only encourage people to keep driving illegally, uninsured and risking others since it's just so difficult to make it the legal way.
I suppose you've all those problems in UK too with all Bulgarian/Romanian/Polish cars... we have over here with the immigrants from Morroco coming over with Dutch old Mercs and Beemers.
It's frustrating... very frustrating!
I will NOT crush the car and I will NOT give in.
I don't think it's cost effective. It would be cheaper to get a single flight to UK and buy a later MGF or TF.what about putting it in a container and having it shipped to the uk
.......maybe try The British Consulate in Spain for advise, or a reputable main dealer garage...? for advice
Found this on a web site,........
You may ask Jaime at [email protected] or phone 616-673-556 or 952 59 35 00. Jaime is based in Fuengirola, Malaga and has been attending to these matters since 1997, and has valuable contacts at Trafico. He speaks fluent English.
wwwspainvia.com
Found this on a web site,........
You may ask Jaime at [email protected] or phone 616-673-556 or 952 59 35 00. Jaime is based in Fuengirola, Malaga and has been attending to these matters since 1997, and has valuable contacts at Trafico. He speaks fluent English.
wwwspainvia.com
Fuengirola is near Malaga... loads of expats over there!.......maybe try The British Consulate in Spain for advise, or a reputable main dealer garage...? for advice
Found this on a web site,........
You may ask Jaime at [email protected] or phone 616-673-556 or 952 59 35 00. Jaime is based in Fuengirola, Malaga and has been attending to these matters since 1997, and has valuable contacts at Trafico. He speaks fluent English.
wwwspainvia.com
We may understand eachother better in Spanish though
I'm sure there is a way... borderline the legality if things or not... I've tried the full on legal way over here, which will always be cheapest. I'll see if there are any local contacts over here that can do it.
Cheers for the info! I tried the Spanish MG forum too, but it's not as easy as walking into DVLA and people will help you... they 'only' know about their department and it's through 3 different places I need to go through before I can actually start moving. There isn't a 'centralised' office where it can all be done and of course they all need a 'paper' that the next guy won't give you until you've the previous one.
I think I need a machine gun or something of that sort.
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