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My copy of Enjoying MG arrived on Friday and there is an article on a blue electric MGF in it. When the chap first completed it over 4 years ago (in a previous Enjoying MG) I really did wonder at the point of it. However, I now see this as a really good idea and a way of keeping the MGF/TF on the road in the future. This is why:

- The K-series does have a well deserved reputation for HG failure and this would solve the problem. A major reason why I have not bought one yet.
- A purely electric car appears to be exempt from road tax.
- Electric motors appear to deliver full torque from near 0 revs, therefore the car will be quick off the mark.
- Battery technology is improving so that smaller batteries can be used and/or range extended.
- With the engine removed, the f/TF shell has sufficient space for all the electrical systems/components and could still retain its decent (for a sports car) boot.

All of this got me wondering if the time is ripe for a MG specialist to team up with an electric vehicle specialist and develop and market an electric conversion for the car. Not only would it make the F/TF relevant again, but it might also slow down the procession of cars going to the crusher due to engine issues etc.
Think of it as a cut price Tesla roadster.

You might think the costs are prohibitive, but if you start with a clean, rust free car I would expect it to cost no more (and possibly a lot less) than restoring a rusty MGB or similar classic.

The other plus point would be that if ok, the removed engine could help keep non-converted cars on the road in the future.

What do you guys think?
 

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I got my hair cut and then took the MGB out for a spin...

£10k sounds like a lot of money. I saw the threads on the conversion done in Poland and it looked quite thorough. The conversion done by the chap who lives near Bournemouth also looks very professional and he has run it for over 4 years.

I agree that range could potentially be a limiting factor, but then if it is capable of more than 100 miles in one charge then that is most of my journeys covered. I would use a different car for a longer journey.

I think that with some intelligent packaging then the F/TF would make an excellent electric sports car. The weight could be distributed between present engine bay, fuel tank location and under the front bonnet, with the majority of it being within the wheel base and set quite low.

Surely a specialist could put together/manufacture a kit that could be installed by them or by the owner. They could even supply all sheet metal changes required (if any) and the electric motor ready installed in a new/re-con rear sub frame.

Could it be made to work with the CVT gearbox or potentially with a full manual or a manual box locked in a specific gear?

Over 5 years it would save over £1,000 in RFL alone. There would not be a cambelt, HG or spark plugs to change. This is on top of the lower 'fuel' costs.

Really I would like a TF fitted with a KV6 but not many people have done this either! I assume there would be some metal cutting and service access issues to sort on this one.
 

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Most of the recreational drives I do in the TF involve 50 - 100 miles just to get to the start point. I'd then have to wait 8 hours for a recharge, go halfway round the course, another 8 hour charge, back to the finish point, for a.... ahem, another recharge and then go home.

In reality you are looking at a range of 60 - 80 miles in a car designed to be electric, so you would probably be looking at 50 - 60 miles in a converted TF.
 

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Most of the recreational drives I do in the TF involve 50 - 100 miles just to get to the start point. I'd then have to wait 8 hours for a recharge, go halfway round the course, another 8 hour charge, back to the finish point, for a.... ahem, another recharge and then go home.

In reality you are looking at a range of 60 - 80 miles in a car designed to be electric, so you would probably be looking at 50 - 60 miles in a converted TF.
Don't the Tesla's have a range of 300 miles?

Most charging cycles enable charging to 80% ish of a full charge in 30-60 minutes?

I'm all for electric conversion, BUT what would you do with the tail pipes? WHERE will the sound be? This is what these little cars are about. F/TFs would be nothing if they were converted.
 

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What I can't understand is why an electric car can't charge itself up when its being driven. The wheels go round, all 4 of them, a wind turbine goes round too and generates electricity. Surely what you use driving the car can be generated back. You can get free funding via the government for charge points at your home.
 

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What I can't understand is why an electric car can't charge itself up when its being driven. The wheels go round, all 4 of them, a wind turbine goes round too and generates electricity. Surely what you use driving the car can be generated back. You can get free funding via the government for charge points at your home.
Energy recovery is a technology in electric vehicles. They will recover any energy they can through regenerative braking where the motors do the braking and not the brakes. When the car is moving forward using the energy from the batteries, you will always be using the battery charge up, but whenever the motors are not actively being used, they will charge the batteries back up ever so slightly.
 

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I didn't realise that the energy to recharge was created using braking, I still can't understand why more energy can't be 'plumbed in' via other motions on a vehicle that is moving forwards.
It's all very clever, and given the chance with funds allowing I'd buy a Tesla right now, but would still keep the TF for fun in the sun. Half the reason I love the car is because of the sound it makes.
 

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I didn't realise that the energy to recharge was created using braking, I still can't understand why more energy can't be 'plumbed in' via other motions on a vehicle that is moving forwards.
Cos you can't get something for nothing with energy! If you - for example - put a windmill on the roof, it would require more engine power to overcome the drag on the windmill than it would create.
 

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It is that. Personally I couldn't justify the amount of money to buy/convert and then have to charge up and watch distance I could travel. I would consider an electric car if it charged whilst being driven and it wasn't a stupid amount of money.
 

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It is that. Personally I couldn't justify the amount of money to buy/convert and then have to charge up and watch distance I could travel. I would consider an electric car if it charged whilst being driven and it wasn't a stupid amount of money.
Mindy, what you are chasing is 'perpetual motion'. It sounds good in basic principle but as others have suggested, you use energy to capture energy so there is always a loss - this gives heat.

I think you can customise any car to any standard that you wish but the new demand for electric cars is an evolution - one that has sadly left the F/TF behind. Anyone that electrifies the F will do so on a very limited production run basis and in turn this increases the unit cost dramatically.
 

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I must admit, today in the back of the cupboard I found a garden sprinkler. Its a couple of years old and still in the box. Its one of those that lights up all different colours. No electricity, no solar, just water. Attach to a hose pipe, and it will generate electricity to power a bulb, and create a mist from the jets. I realise its just 3 led bulbs but the generator is the size of my thumb nail. That's cold water too.
 
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