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This seems to me a weird situation Land Rover (still in business) says its OK, MG defunct (now resurrected) says nothing it seems to suggest when MG went bust they just threw everything out and started again. I'm pretty sure given access to MG records plus the time and money to do it the answer would be as per Land Rover.
Selfishly I intend to use E5 where possible and let others trailblaze on my behalf but E10 or nothing and I will take the E10.
The only proviso I will add is that from what I've read E10 is more hydroscopic than E5 so if you lay your vehicle up over winter either run it really low or drain it to avoid issues come spring.
 

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This seems to me a weird situation Land Rover (still in business) says its OK, MG defunct (now resurrected) says nothing it seems to suggest when MG went bust they just threw everything out and started again.
Not really; as the MG Rover company no longer exists, there is no company to make such information available. Whilst NAC bought the assets of MG Rover, they did not take on any responsibility for the legacy Rover Group/MG Rover models.

If it helps, I read on another website that a former MG Rover engineer who was at the MGF25 event at Gaydon the other week confirmed that Rover Group built all cars to be ethanol compatible from 1996 on (when incorporating ethanol in petrol was only a future possibility). Rover Group and MG Rover cars from that time onwards can therefore be taken as fully compatible with E10.

I don't understand all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that is going on over the introduction of E10 in the UK - as usual the UK is years behind the times and E10 has been the standard fuel in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere for years. Nobody with a 'modern' Rover or MG has reported having any problems as a result. There is a member of this site who has been running his Rover 25 on E85 for over a year now, again without problems.
 

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A couple of weeks ago there was a thread on this forum on E10.

Published in a UK rag today was the following:

Most registered cars that are incompatible with E10 fuel
1. Volkswagen Golf - 28,066
2. MG MGB - 20,890
3. Mazda MX-5 - 18,162
4. Nissan Micra - 15,785
5. Morris Minor - 12,796
6. Rover 25 - 9,879
7. MG MGF - 9,352
8. Ford Escort - 8,947
9. Rover Mini - 7,614
10. MG TF - 7,568

Source: RAC Foundation (2020)

According to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, all Land Rover petrol vehicles manufactured from 1996 onwards are fully E10 compliant. Given that the Freelander uses the 1.8 litre K series engine one could assume from that that the MGF/TF are also E10 compliant.

I would like to know the source of the RAC's (and UK Govs) data.
 

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I realy hope that people are not going to beleive to what is said in this table, since we have proven colleagues which use E10 and even E85 in their cars for years without any problem. Cars in use are MG F, Rover cabriolet, R25 and R75.
 

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There is some very poor and misleading desktop “research” regarding E10, not helpful. It is particularly sad that RAC has come to this.
 

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As there were three threads on the same subject I’ve merged them together into one resource.

I am tempted make the thread sticky but no one will look at it then! o_O
 

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We must remember that it is not just the engine, but rather the hoses, seals, petrol pumps etc that are vulnerable. Hence comparisons with other similar models is not necessarily valid.
 

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Yes, we know it is not the case just about the engines, but the hoses, seals, pumps are at stake here. What I want to emphasize is that we have members which use this kind of petrol for years now without any problems so far whatsoever. And cars are MG F, Rover 25, Rover Cabriolet and Rover 75.
 

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I now have a confession to make my 1964 Cooper S ran on an alcohol petrol mix back in the seventies. She had a 1380 engine with vandanvell pistons Conrods and a pair of jetted 1 1/2” SU carbs. Being the S she had centerfugal weights in the distributor rather than the vacuum system all other minis used. With a slight retard of the timing she loved it. One of the boys worked for a distiller and his boss was happy to get rid of the first draws off the stills. I ran a 25% mix the imp boys were running 40% the wee Roots car loved it.


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Well done! Another fine experiment and far more audacious than mine.
It's perfectly true that alcohol was used since the beginning of the car industry more than a century ago.
 

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I saw this in a pop-up on my phone and thought what absolute misleading bull. Another hit list for the main stream brain washed. The propaganda is relentless could you imagine a Morris Minor owner or any other classic car or bike owner [rant]who most likely knows more about the 'E10' eating their brass brazed float bowls than some keyboard masher at any uk rag[/rant] now getting a lot of hate because they drive an older car and not a £35000 milk float. I'm confused at what all the fuss is about what ever carbon saving we make will be wiped out by the U.S. China and Russia, I know we have to do our bit to conserve and not waste but how much co2 is released from the ground when digging up and processing lithium I wonder.

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I saw this in a pop-up on my phone and thought what absolute misleading bull. Another hit list for the main stream brain washed. The propaganda is relentless could you imagine a Morris Minor owner or any other classic car or bike owner [rant]who most likely knows more about the 'E10' eating their brass brazed float bowls than some keyboard masher at any uk rag[/rant] now getting a lot of hate because they drive an older car and not a £35000 milk float. I'm confused at what all the fuss is about what ever carbon saving we make will be wiped out by the U.S. China and Russia, I know we have to do our bit to conserve and not waste but how much co2 is released from the ground when digging up and processing lithium I wonder.

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Can’t believe that there are. People out there regardless of age who think brass or copper would be affected by a fuel with alcohol in it.
Alcohol is made in stills where made from copper and brass. Now I know that we have to clean the pipes that carry the Alcohol. This is why most distillery’s that have had a good engineering team have pipe work that can be stripped down into sections and cleaned quickly.
Most people drink the second draw from stills why can’t our cars drink first draw.
I think the problem is that the Government are at a stage where they believe their own propaganda. Guess that is what happens when the country have a newspaper reporter as prime minister.
What ever next an actor as President of the United States. Whoops they did that.
For the past hundred years and more we have being making CO2. Many of you will remember the smog or fog we used to get in the fifties. China is now at that stage in their development,coal is cheep for them. Russia never tell the whole truth after all their President was the head of the USSRs secret police. I even read last week and heard on the National News how a wee girl has stated that Scotland is not Green. Who cares what she thinks. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it but it is not national news. It is not as if trying to evacuate 100,000 people from a war torn country matters.
Go for it Greta you took a sail boat to go to a climate meeting two years ago. OH how Green. The bit that was not reported was the boat also had Diesel engines and burned 2.5 tonnes of Diesel on the trip perhaps not so Green as she would have us think 2,500 litres of diesel is more than I will burn in the rest of my life.


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As to the amount of CO2 produced digging out the lithium it is no more than we would burn if we did not go electric. But it is at a different place in the supply chain.


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Can’t believe that there are. People out there regardless of age who think brass or copper would be affected by a fuel with alcohol in it.
Alcohol is made in stills where made from copper and brass. Now I know that we have to clean the pipes that carry the Alcohol. This is why most distillery’s that have had a good engineering team have pipe work that can be stripped down into sections and cleaned quickly.
Most people drink the second draw from stills why can’t our cars drink first draw.
I think the problem is that the Government are at a stage where they believe their own propaganda. Guess that is what happens when the country have a newspaper reporter as prime minister.
What ever next an actor as President of the United States. Whoops they did that.
For the past hundred years and more we have being making CO2. Many of you will remember the smog or fog we used to get in the fifties. China is now at that stage in their development,coal is cheep for them. Russia never tell the whole truth after all their President was the head of the USSRs secret police. I even read last week and heard on the National News how a wee girl has stated that Scotland is not Green. Who cares what she thinks. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it but it is not national news. It is not as if trying to evacuate 100,000 people from a war torn country matters.
Go for it Greta you took a sail boat to go to a climate meeting two years ago. OH how Green. The bit that was not reported was the boat also had Diesel engines and burned 2.5 tonnes of Diesel on the trip perhaps not so Green as she would have us think 2,500 litres of diesel is more than I will burn in the rest of my life.


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Just to be clear E85 will eat soft metals like zinc, copper, brass and aluminium. It will also eat natural rubber, polyurethane and elastomer for example. So guess what E10 will do given long enough sitting in a float bowl?
 

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I am just glad that at best I’ll only be about for another 20 years, I don’t think I want to be.


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As to the amount of CO2 produced digging out the lithium it is no more than we would burn if we did not go electric. But it is at a different place in the supply chain.
For sure the lithium needs to be dug out energy-intensively, but the fuel magically sprouts directly in the filling pump 🤦‍♂️
 

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For sure the lithium needs to be dug out energy-intensively, but the fuel magically sprouts directly in the filling pump
Up here it is piped from the rigs in the North Sea to the processing plant at Grangemouth where everybody regardless of retailer fill their road tankers to deliver to the garages to sell at the pump.
Most of the production Rigs or platforms if you prefer have been operating for the past fifty years. Their is also a pipe line from Grangemouth direct to Glasgow Airport several in fact both types of avgas are piped in but it would take a nonstop fleet of tankers to supply the airport with the standard aircraft taking on anything from 2.5 tonnes to 7.5 tonnes of fuel at a time. The big boys that started flying just six months before COVID can take up to 12 tonnes of fuel. As much as 1.5tonnes of that is burnt pulling the fuel over the first half of the journey. Post 911 pre COVID there were always 1.5 million people in the air at any given time.
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Just to be clear E85 will eat soft metals like zinc, copper, brass and aluminium. It will also eat natural rubber, polyurethane and elastomer for example. So guess what E10 will do given long enough sitting in a float bowl?
The same thing that E5 will do (apart from E5 woud take a little longer). We've had E5 for some years without any serious issues manifesting themselves. Likewise they have had E10 in some European countries for a couple of years.

E10 simply adds another 5% to the 5% that was already being used; It isn't as though it is something entirely new. Why anyone should imagine that it is suddenly going to cause their cars fuel system to fall apart is beyond me.

I would like to know the source of the RAC's data.
A very poor one by the look of it!
 

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I'm not doom mongering just saying older classic cars and bikes like I was talking about in my original post was about the carburetors in cars such as the Morris Minor, MGB's and for example my 1988 Kawasaki EX500 which has brazed on floats in the fuel bowls. I'll bet most modern fuel injected cars and bike don't even need to think about it. I also have an 1997 mgf and a 2004 MG ZT and I'm not even in the slightest worried about it. Even if something did start to deteriorate I'd just fix it anyway like anybody would do because of the love for our cars and bikes.
 
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