M8 I never had any probs with my honda... same DOHC ZC engine that you have, but with a diff valve cover!

It does 7750rpm, no sweat!

And for it to go fast... Well that depends on how much would you be willing to spend... some spark plug wires, and an intake, removing the cat... that would give you some kick... keeping the engine as a non-turbo, 60mm exaust line with obx muffler, some headers (vibrant, or DC-Sports) u should get that little ******* to develop about 140-145 bhp. skimming the head 'bout 1mm... about 5 more bhp.

going for turbo charged.... the sky is the limit.

Anyway... if that was here in Portugal... that car would be just about sold!

 

without 17's - £1000, no offers

with 17s, £250 no offers..

 

Unusual for a Honda engine to expire - sounds like it's been neglected in it's past life.

 

lol...........you still stuck on this thread?

I haven't been on this forum for months now!

I only came back, because I got a e-mail to say that someone had replied.

With regard to the previous engine been neglected, nothing could be further from the truth.

With regard to the current engine been neglected, I would definitely agree!

But the neglected engine goes far better than the now deceased engine did.

Besides, I worked out the answer to the question "Does anybody know how to make a Rover 216GTI DOHC a fast car?"

Simple!.........stick a BMW engine in it!

Or, maybe better still and it would avoid the hassle........buy a BMW!

I did!............and I've never looked back.

British cars are built under the wrong philosophy in the workplace - they can't be arsed, because their always moaning about their wage packet, whereas with the German's, it's more a matter of pride than money.

English worker building average Rover.......

Fit cylinder head bolt........tea break.........fit another bolt........tea break............and another one...........tea break...........fit rocker cover..........*** break.................

Bit like the austin metro, with the coke can and *** packet sprayed over in the passenger door..........a shining example of Rover's attention to detail.

When my E30 was built, 44% of the workers at BMW were quality controllers!

Admittedly, the same can not be said of BMW today - because a majority of their cars are no longer constructed in Bavaria, some are made in the US, using cheap labour.

Hence the reason that passenger side windows fall out on the E36's

but, long live the E30 - somewhat of a cult car round here now (everybody appears to be buying them, for some reason!)

 

everybody appears to be buying them, for some reason!

The only reason it is a 'cult car' is cos they are cheap as chips!

British cars are built under the wrong philosophy in the workplace - they can't be arsed, because their always moaning about their wage packet, whereas with the German's, it's more a matter of pride than money.

Its no secret that Germans are amongst the highest paid workforces in Europe, so they are not exactly likely to moan about their wage packets are they?
Is that what you do in your tea break? Moan about your wage packet? You must do if you are British! :wtf:
Im sure a lot of people on here would disagree with you about pride in thier work. :_poke:

 

BMW ????? Wash your mouth out!

Buy a ZS180!

 

BMW ????? Wash your mouth out!

says the man whos username is just one letter short of the marque he decries so much

 

says the man whos username is just one letter short of the marque he decries so much

you got out the wrong side of bed today or something?

 

nah mng.. its always hard to put across emotion in text based stuff... hence why i added the winking/joking smily..

 

Python,
Watch out for the in-famous porous head, dodgy water pumps, knackered suspension bushings and ball joints, Head gasket failure, of course the notchy box! and the trim that wears after 2 miles, unless you have leather. I saw an E30 with just under 100K miles, the driver must have been wearing sandpaper pants to get the seat in that crappy state

They aren't built aswell as the myth is lead to believe!

Most of the Rovers including the 1.4 16v will show a 318 a thing or 2.

My turbo coupe blew most away the only thing matching it was a 330! And had less problems than my current car with les mileage.

The Rover engines are lighter and in most cases produce more power.

7,500rpm, isn't the redline at 7,000rpm

Ps I have a 328 coupe sport.

 

Python,
Watch out for the in-famous porous head (owned mine since 108k - it's now on 163k - no such thing has gone wrong!), dodgy water pumps (again - no such thing has gone wrong!), knackered suspension bushings and ball joints (and again, no such problem - except track rod end last year), Head gasket failure (no such thing has happened, once again!), of course the notchy box! (yes the box is notchy, but still tight @ 163K) and the trim that wears after 2 miles (totally untrue), unless you have leather (no just Recaro). I saw an E30 with just under 100K miles, the driver must have been wearing sandpaper pants to get the seat in that crappy state

They aren't built aswell as the myth is lead to believe! - the new one's aren't

Most of the Rovers including the 1.4 16v will show a 318 a thing or 2 (that is so not true, unless the bloke driving the 318 is a total nonce!).

My turbo coupe blew most away the only thing matching it was a 330! And had less problems than my current car with les mileage. (Chased a Turbo coupe with boy/girl in it - there was 3 in mine, and I would'nt exactly say he was pissing on me! - although he was pulling away - he could'nt shake me out of his rear view mirror - because our roads have bends, unlike yours! - and he had to slow down - so did I, but I just slowed down at the last minute hence I kept catching him!))

The Rover engines are lighter and in most cases produce more power (so why do they not have a good reputation for this then?).

7,500rpm, isn't the redline at 7,000rpm - revs don't mean much, if there ain't no torque behind 'em

nuff said - now let it be and go back to your usual slumber, believing that Rover's are the be all and end all - I'm not saying that BMW's are either - but they are better than Rovers - full stop!

 

You have got two hopes of keeping up with a coupe turbo - Bob Hope and no hope.

 

You have got two hopes of keeping up with a coupe turbo - Bob Hope and no hope.

I've gto a 216 that wiill keep up with coupe turbos - and will soon be beating most of them

And a little CRX that shows M3's a clean pair of heels

Mark

 

sticking your head out the window reduces ur aerodynamics lol

 

Python,
Watch out for the in-famous porous head (owned mine since 108k - it's now on 163k - no such thing has gone wrong!), dodgy water pumps (again - no such thing has gone wrong!), knackered suspension bushings and ball joints (and again, no such problem - except track rod end last year), Head gasket failure (no such thing has happened, once again!), of course the notchy box! (yes the box is notchy, but still tight @ 163K) and the trim that wears after 2 miles (totally untrue), unless you have leather (no just Recaro). I saw an E30 with just under 100K miles, the driver must have been wearing sandpaper pants to get the seat in that crappy state

They aren't built aswell as the myth is lead to believe! - the new one's aren't

Most of the Rovers including the 1.4 16v will show a 318 a thing or 2 (that is so not true, unless the bloke driving the 318 is a total nonce!).

My turbo coupe blew most away the only thing matching it was a 330! And had less problems than my current car with les mileage. (Chased a Turbo coupe with boy/girl in it - there was 3 in mine, and I would'nt exactly say he was pissing on me! - although he was pulling away - he could'nt shake me out of his rear view mirror - because our roads have bends, unlike yours! - and he had to slow down - so did I, but I just slowed down at the last minute hence I kept catching him!))

The Rover engines are lighter and in most cases produce more power (so why do they not have a good reputation for this then?).

7,500rpm, isn't the redline at 7,000rpm - revs don't mean much, if there ain't no torque behind 'em

nuff said - now let it be and go back to your usual slumber, believing that Rover's are the be all and end all - I'm not saying that BMW's are either - but they are better than Rovers - full stop!

No You were slagging Rover off saying BMW is loads better - I was informing you of faults on BMWs. yes I feel the BM is built better, but you pay extra for it - when newer.

You may have had no probs, like I didn't with my Rover coupe in 5 years, yet my BM has had alot more major faults - And just this weekend it has decided it doesn't want to idle properly. Neighbour had an E30 - head went due to a pourous head, BMW said they had seen others do the same thing. Just pointing out you can't just buy a BMW and sit pretty thinking its loads better than Rovers and it won't breakdown or have problems - My dad has a 96 420 SDi with 148K miles with the only probs of an oil pressure switch, turbo boost pipe! And the interior isn't hardly worn.

I pressume you have a 318is. A Rover turbo won't blast away as they will only have 55bhp more - but as you say he pulled away, but caught up, you were probably a better driver - just like my brother can keep up with 320bhp EVOs on track in his Peugeot 205!!

But 1.4K 105bhp (1050kgs)
318 120bhp (140bhp is) (1250kgs)

Power weight - there isn't much difference!

I'm not saying Rovers are the best or be all and end all, but I do object to people saying there crap because they have had a bad experience and sometimes only believe talk.

And I have just got a Z3 2.8 to replace the MGF, so if I did think Rovers were the best I wouldn't be getting another BM.

 

Reply to Dave Turbo:

Did I ever say Rover's were crap???

NO, I don't believe I did!.......just that German machinery is built and goes better!

I do not like people knocking Rover's saying they are bad cars - I have owned (and my parents) have owned probably more Rovers than half of the members of this bloody forum! - so when it comes to judging Rover's I should be allowed to air my opinion.

But at the same time - I do not like the 'be all and end all' arrogant attitude of the members on this forum, when it comes to how Rovers are great and any other car is ****e!

You talk about BMW owners as been biggoted and arrogant, yet I see a good deal more arrogance on this forum, maybe not from you personally, but from the general membership of this forum.

Can I ask a simple question :

If Rover's are as good as you (mgrover.org) say they are, then where have all the MG Montego Turbo's gone???

They were a car of the 80's - they should still be here, but why aren't they?

Now I can accept that there may be a good deal of those motor's sat in the scrap yards smashed up, but I bet there is a good deal more that simply just died due to too much rust!.

So, given that Rover's are so good and BMW's are so crap - they why is it that there are old abused relics like E21 3 Series (1980-84) BMW's still on the road, and there aren't so many MG Maestro 1600's??

So, you talk about Rover's been good cars - well they are, but they aren't as good as BMW's I am sorry to say - although maybe today's models are - they certainly weren't in years gone past - hence the reason why there are so many people buying E30's because they are still here, they are a BMW, and they are now affordable!

And when it comes to reliability - I can say in all honesty, that the BMW has broke down twice, and left me out in the middle of nowhere both times - but faithful ol' Rover has always got me home, even when it's got into difficulties!

But does that make the Rover a better car?........well.......based on public opinion, I guess it does'nt.

Regards

 

It's a question of 'quality'. Both cars are 'fit for purpose' (a generally accepted yardstick used to define quality), but another differentiator is consistency. Here's where Rover fall down. One car off the line can be excellent, properly built, no rattles, etc., whilst the next can be a real dog. If Rover want to improve, they need to sort this out. The Japanese manage it by design, i.e. it's impossible (nearly) to build it wrong - in the UK, we still to a large extent trust to the skills of the assembly worker to fettle things as they happen.

Don't forget that the equivalent German car is vastly more expensive (new) than the equivalent Rover (well, if you haggle enough eanyway), e.g. my ZS180 (new) for £13K. BMW 3 deries with the same performance? Over £20K I bet. This means there's less money going into Rover's coffers for product development and better quality - so unless prices go up, quality won't improve. But until quality goes up, people won't pay more. Catch 22 really. I suspect, like has happened for a long time, the design ideas will be great (think Mini, Maxi, Maestro), but the actual execution poor. This means that the Japanese and the Germans benefit from Rover ideas, but produce them better.

Still wouldn't have a BMW though!!!

 

We're on the same wave length then Python!!


Now give us a big kiss and make up!! :=p:



PS I didn't say BM driver's were arrogant.

 

If Rover's are as good as you (mgrover.org) say they are, then where have all the MG Montego Turbo's gone???

They were a car of the 80's - they should still be here, but why aren't they?

Now I can accept that there may be a good deal of those motor's sat in the scrap yards smashed up, but I bet there is a good deal more that simply just died due to too much rust!.

So, given that Rover's are so good and BMW's are so crap - they why is it that there are old abused relics like E21 3 Series (1980-84) BMW's still on the road, and there aren't so many MG Maestro 1600's??

First off the Monty Turbo wasnt made in big numbers, only 7,000 made in a 6 year production life. Many got seriously abused, thrashed and crashed, reducing their numbers significantly. Rust got the rest of them, as a mass produced car not built to BMW standards its no wonder you dont see them anymore.

Same goes for the 1600 MG Maestro, they only made them for a year, and this is 20-21 years ago, thats why you dont see them!

To be honest i cant remember the last time i saw a 1980-84 BMW 3 Series...

I dont think anyone has said BMW's are crap but they definatly dont perform so much better than any of the Rover's mentioned. Very well engineered yes, built to last yes, but that doesnt make the Rover's a poor car in comparison.

Gareth